07-11-2010, 12:27 PM
(07-10-2010, 11:52 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Unity, I really enjoyed your description of why eating 2D entities could detract light upon the planet and is basically self-serving. However, I keep resorting to the understanding that entities generally "pre-determine" the role of their incarnation, which would include playing victim to the Chicken McNugget machine, if the 2D entity were unlucky enough to be a chicken.
as far as what we know, 2d entities are not able to choose their incarnative experiences. actually, most of 3d entities are not able to choose either - it is chosen by them, until they are mature enough.
but then again, since every existing thing has consciousness, even the 1d (1d actually being 8d of the last octave, which is actually phenomenonal in itself), it is inevitable that there exist some mechanism for choosing.
however, it doesnt matter whether the 2d entity, its group consciousness, or any other principle decided that the entity should incarnate, cultivate a physical vehicle to maturity, and then forfeit it for the sustenance of another - the entity receiving such a 'sacrifice' would still be performing the act of taking another entity's physical vehicle, for sustenance, and extinguishing 2d light where it exists.
and in conjunction :
Quote:Have you not considered that many lower density entities require physical experiences, which may include giving up oneself for the benefit of another? Would a 3D entity not have then reached an agreement with the 2D chicken to eat it, so that the 2D chicken could experience catalyst the way it needed to for spiritual advancement from the circumstances of its incarnation? That is absolutely STO, in my opinion. It is a sacred pre-birth agreement between two forms of energy, specifically designed to serve each other with the unique experiences needed for each entity's spiritual path and wisdom.
if you look at it that way, in ultimate end, even going sts and slaughtering millions and enslaving them is a service in ultimate end, because it gives the needed catalyst for those millions of entities to spiritually evolve.
however, in our non-timeless continuum, it is dubbed as sts, an evil act, self serving act, etc, whatever name you give it. so, it becomes a choice in between what path one wants to take - go sts and provide catalyst for others, or go sto and follow that path.
until every timeline, parallel universe converges somewhere in between 7d-8d, these are going to be separate choices.
i doubt that a sacred pre birth agreement exists in between the chicken and its predator. if you take into account that even the higher selves of junior 3d entities send random catalyst to the incarnated entities until some kind of bias makes itself apparent (thats what Ra says anyway), then it is less likely to have an agreement of that kind exist in between the predator and the victim.
Quote:Furthermore, once an entity leaves the planet by whatever means, I do not believe the 2D light is extinguished, as you put it. The light body of that 2D entity enters time/space and may certainly decide to come back to space/time to gain further wisdom by playing out the role of another 2D creature.
it is extinguished from the physical plane. basically, it becomes a situation like death of your own self - you still go back to time/space, and maybe manifest and act as a X d entity there (whatever you are manifesting at at that given point in time), but, its effects on space/time would be much much less.
if it had been otherwise, there would be no need for wanderers to incarnate to lighten the spiritual situation on this planet (or any other planet) - they could just remain in time/space, and still render service.
even, if you take it further, there would be no need for space/time incarnation, had there not been enough difference in between manifesting in time/space and space/time. all would exist in the aether, and everything would just be the same.
however, it is not as such. all are having to incarnate. because, manifesting an energy center in space/time and time/space are much, much different.
Quote: It's also possible that in many cases, 2D entities have incarnated with the intention of offering itself as food as a final lesson/experience before graduating to 3D.
no such prerequisite or general practice exists as far as i know. the prerequisite for 3d incarnation is being aware of the self being an entity. it is even possible for places and things to directly pass to 3d from 1d.
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Quote:I do understand why you would argue your points, and I thank you for your post, but I feel you are not giving enough credit to the concepts of "catalyst" and "pre-incarnational" considerations.
reasons are above.
however, regardless of the intent and the reason, the wisdom side of creation would still act in the same precise manner - 2d energy that was manifesting in physical, would still be removed from physical. regardless of any kind of forgiveness, agreement, justification, rationalization and so on.
you can look at it this way ; it is kind of a blockage/clogging of the 1-2d energy centers, in whatever combination and weight. it is not unnatural to exist, however, in ultimate sense it is self-damaging (just like how any clogging of any energy center eventually starts to harm the entity), and entity eventually needs to remove that blockage and open that energy center. it is a matter of time, not a matter of choice.