[quote='fairyfarmgirl' pid='16408' dateline='1278933954']
I believe not all things happen as a process. I believe that LEAPS of evolution occur seemingly overnight.
Many of us are coded at our core to be of the Angelics. Leaping to Pranic Eating (building energy by giving and recieving) is simply a return to our originial design.[/quote]
That explains our differences in viewpoint. In my view, I see no reason to wait for something to happen, when I can actively work towards it now. But thank you for sharing your viewpoint!
[quote='fairyfarmgirl' pid='16408' dateline='1278933954']
Acceptance is a tricky thing. For one they can say they are not judging another being but their actions and at the same time if you were to hang out in a room full of omnivores would you be able to embrace them as your brothers and sisters
[/quote]
Gosh, Fairy, I do that on a daily basis! And I'm doing it right now.
[quote='fairyfarmgirl' pid='16408' dateline='1278933954']
would you shrink in horror considering them to be murderers of chicken and fish?
[/quote]
Vegetarians would never be able to socialize at all, if we did that.
[quote='unity100' pid='16401' dateline='1278900153']
I think noone should veer off from the core of the matter by thinking and expanding on situations specific to this planet. these conditions will change, society will change. they will be different in each planet.
what doesnt differ is the spiritual, metaphysical principles behind this.[/quote]
Exactly! Which is exactly what I am interested in discussing. We all have individual circumstances to deal with. If we have an understanding of the principles involved, we can make conscious choices.
[quote='unity100' pid='16401' dateline='1278900153']
evolution is a journey towards 100% positivity with wisdom. even if you cant totally reach it in this octave or the others. the direction is as such. we are basically going towards becoming small suns with all our chakras open. [/quote]
That is a very key point about direction. It's very significant that graduation to 4D only requires 51% STO. Which leads me to surmise: What happens in 4D? Is the entity refined further in its polarity? Is 100% reached? Or does a 4D entity graduate to 5D with the same percentage?
I would think that the qualities needed for graduation to 4D are further refined in 4D, at the end of which time the soul is ready to take on new lessons in preparation for 5D.
[quote='unity100' pid='16401' dateline='1278900153']
do you find the sun taking anything from anything ? leave aside killing an entity and eating its body ? it radiates. it gives. it energizes. it gives things you know, and gives things you dont know.[/quote]
I hadn't thought of it like that, but wow, that's true. With a focus on our ultimate destination, these difficult issues become clear.
[quote='unity100' pid='16401' dateline='1278900153']
thus, harming another entity for sustenance may be acceptable for an entity on a certain level. but, after a certain point, it will need to be left behind, in order to progress.[/quote]
Even those who eat animals have agreed on this point. The question becomes, then, at what point, and for what reasons, does that action of 'leaving behind' occur? What is the value of reaching to that point consciously? That is something each will have to decide for themselves.
[quote='unity100' pid='16401' dateline='1278900153']
thus, i think it is much more beneficial and fruitful to dwell on the spiritual, metaphysical implications of this in regard to spiritual progress, than any minor details that are specific to this planet.
[/quote]
Agreed, as regards our individual progress. However, here is another factor to consider: our awareness of Earth's plight during this difficult transition. Of immediate relevance, in my opinion, is what impact our choices have on the planet as a whole, at this particular nexus.
Many of us are actively meditating for the benefit of the planet, working to heal the wounds, etc. Because many have consciously chosen this service, I am interested in exploring the efficiency of such service, in light of what I see as a gaping contradiction.
To use an analogy: It seems to me like putting a band-aid on a would that is gushing blood. Wouldn't it make more sense to stop the bleeding first?
So many Lightworkers are absolutely devoted to being of service, in regards to healing the Earth. Would this service not be much more effective, if the massive, indeed massive, amount of 2D suffering were lessened?
So, while I do agree with you that, in regards to our soul progress, I am interested in exploring these concepts as they apply to any planet, anytime, anywhere. At the same time, I am also interested in exploring how these principles apply to our current planetary plight.
What I am not interested in, personally, is discussing individual reasons for having this or that diet. I'd rather focus on what we can do to help the planet heal, and your point about Earth's 2nd chakra really leaped out at me.
[quote='unity100' pid='16352' dateline='1278799807']
destroying any discrete entity, is destroying a co creator...there is infinity to discover. the more the focus generating entities, ie co creators about, at any given point, the more the rate of discovery and the subsequent total collective joy of all existence. destroying any focus generating entity slows down this discovery rate, and reduces our total joy. its a crime against ourselves.[quote]
Can you define discrete entity? and focus generating entity?
[quote='unity100' pid='16352' dateline='1278799807']
if you ask me, this whole charade that is up here and in many other places, was actually intended to teach and perpetuate this kind of system. and, the planets gone haywire, like this, are those in which what not to do is taught to entities that have been rather slow in getting the proper lessons.[/quote]
As with war...Yes, this planet has gone haywire in many ways.
I believe not all things happen as a process. I believe that LEAPS of evolution occur seemingly overnight.
Many of us are coded at our core to be of the Angelics. Leaping to Pranic Eating (building energy by giving and recieving) is simply a return to our originial design.[/quote]
That explains our differences in viewpoint. In my view, I see no reason to wait for something to happen, when I can actively work towards it now. But thank you for sharing your viewpoint!
[quote='fairyfarmgirl' pid='16408' dateline='1278933954']
Acceptance is a tricky thing. For one they can say they are not judging another being but their actions and at the same time if you were to hang out in a room full of omnivores would you be able to embrace them as your brothers and sisters
[/quote]
Gosh, Fairy, I do that on a daily basis! And I'm doing it right now.
[quote='fairyfarmgirl' pid='16408' dateline='1278933954']
would you shrink in horror considering them to be murderers of chicken and fish?
[/quote]
Vegetarians would never be able to socialize at all, if we did that.
[quote='unity100' pid='16401' dateline='1278900153']
I think noone should veer off from the core of the matter by thinking and expanding on situations specific to this planet. these conditions will change, society will change. they will be different in each planet.
what doesnt differ is the spiritual, metaphysical principles behind this.[/quote]
Exactly! Which is exactly what I am interested in discussing. We all have individual circumstances to deal with. If we have an understanding of the principles involved, we can make conscious choices.
[quote='unity100' pid='16401' dateline='1278900153']
evolution is a journey towards 100% positivity with wisdom. even if you cant totally reach it in this octave or the others. the direction is as such. we are basically going towards becoming small suns with all our chakras open. [/quote]
That is a very key point about direction. It's very significant that graduation to 4D only requires 51% STO. Which leads me to surmise: What happens in 4D? Is the entity refined further in its polarity? Is 100% reached? Or does a 4D entity graduate to 5D with the same percentage?
I would think that the qualities needed for graduation to 4D are further refined in 4D, at the end of which time the soul is ready to take on new lessons in preparation for 5D.
[quote='unity100' pid='16401' dateline='1278900153']
do you find the sun taking anything from anything ? leave aside killing an entity and eating its body ? it radiates. it gives. it energizes. it gives things you know, and gives things you dont know.[/quote]
I hadn't thought of it like that, but wow, that's true. With a focus on our ultimate destination, these difficult issues become clear.
[quote='unity100' pid='16401' dateline='1278900153']
thus, harming another entity for sustenance may be acceptable for an entity on a certain level. but, after a certain point, it will need to be left behind, in order to progress.[/quote]
Even those who eat animals have agreed on this point. The question becomes, then, at what point, and for what reasons, does that action of 'leaving behind' occur? What is the value of reaching to that point consciously? That is something each will have to decide for themselves.
[quote='unity100' pid='16401' dateline='1278900153']
thus, i think it is much more beneficial and fruitful to dwell on the spiritual, metaphysical implications of this in regard to spiritual progress, than any minor details that are specific to this planet.
[/quote]
Agreed, as regards our individual progress. However, here is another factor to consider: our awareness of Earth's plight during this difficult transition. Of immediate relevance, in my opinion, is what impact our choices have on the planet as a whole, at this particular nexus.
Many of us are actively meditating for the benefit of the planet, working to heal the wounds, etc. Because many have consciously chosen this service, I am interested in exploring the efficiency of such service, in light of what I see as a gaping contradiction.
To use an analogy: It seems to me like putting a band-aid on a would that is gushing blood. Wouldn't it make more sense to stop the bleeding first?
So many Lightworkers are absolutely devoted to being of service, in regards to healing the Earth. Would this service not be much more effective, if the massive, indeed massive, amount of 2D suffering were lessened?
So, while I do agree with you that, in regards to our soul progress, I am interested in exploring these concepts as they apply to any planet, anytime, anywhere. At the same time, I am also interested in exploring how these principles apply to our current planetary plight.
What I am not interested in, personally, is discussing individual reasons for having this or that diet. I'd rather focus on what we can do to help the planet heal, and your point about Earth's 2nd chakra really leaped out at me.
[quote='unity100' pid='16352' dateline='1278799807']
destroying any discrete entity, is destroying a co creator...there is infinity to discover. the more the focus generating entities, ie co creators about, at any given point, the more the rate of discovery and the subsequent total collective joy of all existence. destroying any focus generating entity slows down this discovery rate, and reduces our total joy. its a crime against ourselves.[quote]
Can you define discrete entity? and focus generating entity?
[quote='unity100' pid='16352' dateline='1278799807']
if you ask me, this whole charade that is up here and in many other places, was actually intended to teach and perpetuate this kind of system. and, the planets gone haywire, like this, are those in which what not to do is taught to entities that have been rather slow in getting the proper lessons.[/quote]
As with war...Yes, this planet has gone haywire in many ways.