@fairyfarmgirl post #11: Could you please clarify what you mean when you say "high heart, Will Center, Lizard brain and Mammalian brain?
Could you please point out the apparent paradox, then?
How is it, exactly, that the STS promote excessive child-birth? I know the media is overflowing with sexuality, but can they force you to have more children? Granted, suggestion would be more likely, as no one can really "force" anyone to do anything, but your suggestion substituted with my variation still seems far-fetched to me. Some clarity would be appreciated
If the Confederation channellings had addressed the point of torture (like I said earlier), would you be willing to change your views?
No, I've never heard of such a thing. What do you mean?
@fairyfarmgirl post #13: Respectfully, I must say that subjective experience such as your communications must be taken with a grain of salt. While I don't doubt that your experiences are very convincing, and may well have you convinced, I cannot say the same for myself. There are myriad ways by which your interpretations could be flawed, and though I do acknowledge validity in your claims, I cannot accept them as my own truths. They don't fully/completely resonate with me. I don't say this in a petty manner, only to try to help you remember that we are all coming from different viewpoints, and what seems obvious or factual to you may not to others. For those points where we don't see eye to eye, agreement to disagree, friendly & logical arguments, or other avenues may be pursued.
@Monica post #14:
Assuming that the premise that we're working off of is correct and reality, the reason they don't interfere is that they would be infringing on free will themselves, were they to try to save anyone from an infringment of their free will.
The Confederation does not live by the rules of our society.
It is their free will to accept or reject whatever comes their way. People wake up of their own accord and of their Higher Self's, when they are ready.
@fairyfarmgirl post #15:
I think you may be putting the cart before the horse...
I assume you mean the events that precede the harvest and the harvest itself? All is worthy of compassion.
For the analogy, I honestly don't see how it works at all. I don't recall the exact numbers, but I remember reading that the percentages of planets in the Milky Way whose polarities are positive mixed and negative are something like 60, 30 and 10, respectively. After Lucifer brought their light to Earth, we were no longer of nearly-stagnating positive polarity, that is we (almost inevitably) chose to be mixed. Planets don't have to be positive.
Regardless, the question now is not whether or not we're being manipulated, but what to do in our current circumstances. I remain of the opinion that we should work towards the positive, rather than dwell on the negative.
@fairyfarmgirl post #17:
While it's a technicality, I'll point it out anyways: One cannot circumvent Universal Law. What they attempt to do is well within the bounds of their understanding, though ignorance of the Law does not absolve them their infractions.
@fairyfarmgirl post #19:
I disagree. I think that pain can be a good catalyst for growth. Struggle and challenge provide the opportunity for massive growth, like running rather than walking. Yes, running is a pain, but you'll get in shape much faster.
The poor practices of a parent cannot be likened to the reality of catalyst leaving open the opportunity of growth.
I agree that the misuse of their power is detrimental to society, but I don't think it's a violation. We are a planet of mixed polarity, and the calling is not strictly positive.
@Monica post #21:
The HH dialogue addresses how the entities are helping us even though they are STS. Yes I realized that it can't be trusted fully, but the reasoning is quite convincing if thought through objectively. The reasoning is that basically, before Lucifer arrived, we were of overwhelmingly positive polarity and without a veil. This meant that we were content to simply be, having no desire to polarize. What the presence of Lucifer has done for us is give us the opportunity to run instead of crawl.
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I still think that we shouldn't focus on the pains of the ending cycle, or of the so-called trinity, but what we can now do for the Earth. The masses are largely unawakened, and yet still have opportunity to polarize. To dwell on the negative as all of us have done, are doing, or will do, is to miss what chance we have now to help the rest of the planet's inhabitants. Where's that quote... Ah yes in Monica's sig:
I don't think this is probable, but at least we can aim for the moon and land on the clouds, rather than aiming for the roof and falling on our butts!
Love and Light
Quote:It is ridiculous that they say that it is "for our own good" that we have this STS cataylst. That is just ridiculous and any one with thier brain processor intact would be able to point out the ridiculous paradox that they created for their own ends and then sold us the idea that it would be a "good" game for us to "rise" above.
Could you please point out the apparent paradox, then?
Quote:This is another way the STS elite get the humans. Through the use of excessive childbearing. There is no way for a Woman (women seem to shift more easily then men) when she is having a baby a year and watching her children starve to death. To say oh that is her choice is ridiculous and callous. It is exactly how the STS elite wish you to think through your Lizard brain. There is more at play here than we see.
How is it, exactly, that the STS promote excessive child-birth? I know the media is overflowing with sexuality, but can they force you to have more children? Granted, suggestion would be more likely, as no one can really "force" anyone to do anything, but your suggestion substituted with my variation still seems far-fetched to me. Some clarity would be appreciated
Quote:Further, torture is a GROSS violation of Free Will. Once again thinking like a STS will not resolve the issue. There is never a reason for Torture. Torture is a method that is used to inject fear into the collective. Fill the internal organs with fear and excess adrenal hormones and then collapse the pineal gland and mammalian brain. This is the function of torture.
If the Confederation channellings had addressed the point of torture (like I said earlier), would you be willing to change your views?
Quote:Have you ever wondered why many torture victims are given back to their families dead and without the internal organs?
No, I've never heard of such a thing. What do you mean?
@fairyfarmgirl post #13: Respectfully, I must say that subjective experience such as your communications must be taken with a grain of salt. While I don't doubt that your experiences are very convincing, and may well have you convinced, I cannot say the same for myself. There are myriad ways by which your interpretations could be flawed, and though I do acknowledge validity in your claims, I cannot accept them as my own truths. They don't fully/completely resonate with me. I don't say this in a petty manner, only to try to help you remember that we are all coming from different viewpoints, and what seems obvious or factual to you may not to others. For those points where we don't see eye to eye, agreement to disagree, friendly & logical arguments, or other avenues may be pursued.
@Monica post #14:
Quote:If it's a gross manipulation of the Law of One and a violation of Free Will, and they are bound to uphold both, why then are they not defending those whose free will is being violated?
Assuming that the premise that we're working off of is correct and reality, the reason they don't interfere is that they would be infringing on free will themselves, were they to try to save anyone from an infringment of their free will.
Quote:In our society, it's unacceptable to be violent towards others, but acceptable to defend oneself and others against perpetrators of violence. So it seems to me that defending those whose free will has been violated wouldn't be a violation of free will in itself, but a correcting of a wrong.
The Confederation does not live by the rules of our society.
Quote:WHY do some people accept healing/cleansing and others don't? It can't be just some random victimization. That makes no sense because it doesn't explain why so many people are waking up, despite the very same influences others have had. The only explanation I can see is that, from the perspective of their Higher Self, events have been programmed and orchestrated to awaken them at the proper time.
It is their free will to accept or reject whatever comes their way. People wake up of their own accord and of their Higher Self's, when they are ready.
@fairyfarmgirl post #15:
Quote:One of the main reasons that I see the trinity of pain has been allowed to flourish is our stupid and hopelessly lizard brained leaders invited a contingency to come and set up shop on the Earth and within the Earth without the approval of the "masses." This is the main reason the Galactic Federation is unable to assist in the way they would like to assist.
We were sold a system of governce based on representative government world wide at the time due to the demands of an agrian society (which is very very labor intensive) we took the bait and allowed this form of government.
I think you may be putting the cart before the horse...
Quote:Now the Great Correcting Time is upon humanity. Some will be able to see beyond their cellular conditioning and others will not be able to. The ones that are unable to see beyond this are the ones that require our compassion.
I assume you mean the events that precede the harvest and the harvest itself? All is worthy of compassion.
For the analogy, I honestly don't see how it works at all. I don't recall the exact numbers, but I remember reading that the percentages of planets in the Milky Way whose polarities are positive mixed and negative are something like 60, 30 and 10, respectively. After Lucifer brought their light to Earth, we were no longer of nearly-stagnating positive polarity, that is we (almost inevitably) chose to be mixed. Planets don't have to be positive.
Regardless, the question now is not whether or not we're being manipulated, but what to do in our current circumstances. I remain of the opinion that we should work towards the positive, rather than dwell on the negative.
@fairyfarmgirl post #17:
Quote:STS does not follow Universal Law they attempt to circumvent the Law.
While it's a technicality, I'll point it out anyways: One cannot circumvent Universal Law. What they attempt to do is well within the bounds of their understanding, though ignorance of the Law does not absolve them their infractions.
@fairyfarmgirl post #19:
Quote:Pain stunts growth. This is how I see it. Struggle stunts growth. It contracts rather than expands.
I disagree. I think that pain can be a good catalyst for growth. Struggle and challenge provide the opportunity for massive growth, like running rather than walking. Yes, running is a pain, but you'll get in shape much faster.
Quote:Many children have heard the phrase : " I am doing this for your own good and it hurts me more than you." This is how I view the trinity of pain. It is all well and good to say "I am doing this for you as you beat a child with a belt." because the agressor holds all the power.
The poor practices of a parent cannot be likened to the reality of catalyst leaving open the opportunity of growth.
I agree that the misuse of their power is detrimental to society, but I don't think it's a violation. We are a planet of mixed polarity, and the calling is not strictly positive.
@Monica post #21:
Quote:I see a distinction between the trinity of pain and 3D's design of catalyst. The abuser (in this case, the PTB, ie. STS entities) may think they are doing this "for our own good" but if they are really STS, they know full well it's for their good, not ours. Only an STO entity would do something with the motivation of helping other-selves, and then it would be like a loving parent, not an abuser.
The HH dialogue addresses how the entities are helping us even though they are STS. Yes I realized that it can't be trusted fully, but the reasoning is quite convincing if thought through objectively. The reasoning is that basically, before Lucifer arrived, we were of overwhelmingly positive polarity and without a veil. This meant that we were content to simply be, having no desire to polarize. What the presence of Lucifer has done for us is give us the opportunity to run instead of crawl.
~
I still think that we shouldn't focus on the pains of the ending cycle, or of the so-called trinity, but what we can now do for the Earth. The masses are largely unawakened, and yet still have opportunity to polarize. To dwell on the negative as all of us have done, are doing, or will do, is to miss what chance we have now to help the rest of the planet's inhabitants. Where's that quote... Ah yes in Monica's sig:
Quote:Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.
I don't think this is probable, but at least we can aim for the moon and land on the clouds, rather than aiming for the roof and falling on our butts!
Love and Light