"this information will, shall we say, make sense" - Interpretations

[Conifer16]

What you're saying does make sense, and I would agree that generally, a wanderer would be more likely to have the type of eureka moment you are describing. But at the same time, I don't think that there is enough credit given to the seeking of a native 3rd density entity in your idea.

If a 3rd density entity is near harvestability, they have already done much spiritual seeking and work already, no doubt. I would not be one to assume that all spiritual texts which speak of unity in a eloquent fashion come only from wanderers, and are meant only for wanderers. I think there have been writings and understandings gained which speak about love, light, and the Law of One in various fashions. And as Ankh points out, if Ra responds to a 3rd density call and offers information to 3rd density beings, doesn't this imply that this information coming from 6th density is useful for 3rd density?

An example I would use is one that Ra used - Heraclitus. I'm not terribly familiar with his work, but I have looked into it somewhat, and there are some very striking similarities between his work and the Law of One, and Ra did say that he was able to grasp some facets of the Law of One. There's no indication in the Ra material whether or not he was a wanderer, though I think it could be inferred that he was not. Even if he was, certainly not every philosopher and student who successfully learned from his teaching, since wanderers didn't seem to be so common back then.

So in Heraclitus we have a similar understanding as the information which Ra gave to us, but there cannot be the assumption that only wanderers would really grasp his work, considering its influence throughout the ages.

I believe it would be similar with the Ra material. I believe a 3rd density entity who has lived lives of dedicated seeking may have come to some understanding of love, light, and unity to which they may see the Ra material and have that eureka moment, as their previous 3rd density experience comes back to them. The difference being that 100% of wanderers have lived lives in which this understanding is grasped, and a much smaller percentage of 3rd density entities have reached such spiritual understanding. Yet if we break the 3rd density entities down into a subgroup - those nearing harvestability - I'm sure that the percentage of them having grasped similar understandings in their past lives would go up a significant amount, and those are probably the ones who are (or could be) called to the Law of One material.

Note: bolding of your words is my own.

I would not be one to assume that all spiritual texts which speak of unity in a eloquent fashion come only from wanderers, and are meant only for wanderers.

Oh, nor would I. Which is why I didn't say "all spiritual texts", or speak in the absolute tone of "only".

I am otherwise in alignment with your thought, but will submit further material upon which our minds may chew.

I think there have been writings and understandings gained which speak about love, light, and the Law of One in various fashions.

Agreed. I think there are reflections on love, light, and unity contained within all the orthodox religions, within visionary art, poetry, and literature, and much more immediate understandings of love, light, and unity available to the seeker who endeavors the disciplined seeking of silence.

In Ra's case, though, they also paint a picture that provides a conceptual roadmap of the densities, and in this schematic they describe the happenings, comings, goings, and roles of the characters within the great play of creation.

It's odd to think that a third-density native, whether near harvestability or at the cusp of penetrating the eighth level, would read about social memory complexes, or the intensification-not-polarization of the wisdom density, or the quarantine, or the Council and experience a "click", and think to themselves, "This is bizarre, but somehow it's like I'm remembering... somehow this makes sense."

I conjecture that it makes any "sense" at all to the reader because this information contains postcards from home; albeit pale, fragmentary reflections of the actual reality of home.

Part of me thinks, how would a third-density native, who came up from second density and whose soul evolution has not moved beyond the boundary of third density, recognize these descriptions of higher densities and their workings?

That you and I are operating on the assumption that this information is legitimate in the first place bespeaks either gullibility--because we're talking about things that nothing within our known existence can verify, or something in us recognizes the veracity of Ra's statements from past, personal experience.

(No, Gary is not emotionally attached to whether or not he is a wanderer; less so as to whether or not Austin is a wanderer.)


Yet, at the same time, perhaps it could avail itself as sensical to the sensible person because it is inherently logical. I'm not a pro philosopher, but were I, I would probably know what qualities and rules constitute good logic - internal consistency being one of them, perhaps; capacity to maintain integrity when assaulted with challenge, another; its ability to cope with paradox, yet another.

Whatever the rules and tests of advanced logic, I would wager that Ra's words would leap over those hurtles with resounding and flying colors.

In that respect, then, perhaps past experience isn't strictly necessary. One could recognize the elegance of the system simply by its own inherent virtue, and find credence therein.

Also, in moving further down your line of thought... Ra talks about this:

48.10 Ra: I am Ra. ...each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors.

I've never fully understood the correlation between the energy centers, the subtle bodies, and the densities, but judging by that statement, it seems that from the springboard of third density (thanks to the veil), the entity can gain understanding/experience which is far beyond what is statistically usual for natives of this density.

In other words, with sufficient will, faith, discipline, and purity, the third-density native needn't be confined by his/her immediate environment, but can transcend it and all boundaries.

Very carefully...

48.10 Ra: This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

So why do some people react to higher teaching, whether offered by a third-density type or a sixth-density social memory complex?

Ramana Maharshi had a nice illustration of this. (This is in the 1930's, when the human race was referred to as "mankind".)

Maj. Chadwick: It is said that one look of a Mahatma is enough; that idols, pilgrimages, etc. are not so effective. I have been here for three months, but I do not know how I have been benefited by the look of Maharshi.

Maharshi: The look has a purifying effect. Purification cannot be visualized. Just as a piece of coal takes long to be ignited, a piece of charcoal takes a short time, and a mass of gunpowder is instantaneously ignited, so it is with grades of men coming in contact with Mahatmas.

Love & Light, GLB

"In Ra's case, though, they also paint a picture that provides a conceptual roadmap of the densities, and in this schematic they describe the happenings, comings, goings, and roles of the characters within the great play of creation.


It's odd to think that a third-density native, whether near harvestability or at the cusp of penetrating the eighth level, would read about social memory complexes, or the intensification-not-polarization of the wisdom density, or the quarantine, or the Council and experience a "click", and think to themselves, "This is bizarre, but somehow it's like I'm remembering... somehow this makes sense."

I conjecture that it makes any "sense" at all to the reader because this information contains postcards from home; albeit pale, fragmentary reflections of the actual reality of home.

Part of me thinks, how would a third-density native, who came up from second density and whose soul evolution has not moved beyond the boundary of third density, recognize these descriptions of higher densities and their workings?

That you and I are operating on the assumption that this information is legitimate in the first place bespeaks either gullibility--because we're talking about things that nothing within our known existence can verify, or something in us recognizes the veracity of Ra's statements from past, personal experience."
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So specifically this part of the above,

"Part of me thinks, how would a third-density native, who came up from second density and whose soul evolution has not moved beyond the boundary of third density, recognize these descriptions of higher densities and their workings?"
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My thoughts below

So a 3d density native would indeed only conceivably have experience from 3d density and below. And you are asking how a person at this stage might recognize these ideas if they hadn't already encountered them as a wanderer. 

And I was wondering if it might not be due to the fact that at the deepest level we are all the Creator? And thus all experience that has, is, and will happen has been experienced by every single one of us already.  

Yes we have a veil that clouds our sense of memory and connection with all that is. And this veil likely does a really good job at clouding our memories and sense of connection. 

But might it be possible that being the Creator brings with it some automatic and very very very deep level understanding and "knowing"? Such that when encountering information like that of the Law of One, a 3d density native whom hasn't yet moved past 3d density this go around, might be able to recognize some inner and pure "truth" to the matter. 

Which might manifest as a simple feeling that TLOO just "makes sense". 

I haven't yet read the full thread at the moment of posting this. It was just a thought that came to mind as I read your post. Mayhap's someone else has already asked this very question and I will find the answer as I read on. 

Conifer16,
Namaste