Ra's Statements About 2D Entities

[Monica]

We are being from higher realms, doing what we do here.

It's glamorous to think so, isn't it?

my biggest problem is when a blanket statement that all meat and dairy consumption is behaving in a consciously unloving manner.

I agree. Good thing no one has done that, at least not here in this forum.

Eating is so socially ingrained in us, and with so many people a mealtime is synonymous with family. It is no secret that today, for one to be completely vegan, they have to abstain from many of the normal eating celebrations/holidays/gathering we have with our family. This can cause unrest in the family unit. What do you mean, mom can't cook you her favorite meatloaf anymore? And grandma spent all day slaving over this roasted Thanksgiving turkey, you aren't even going to have a bite?

If Grandma slaved away all day cooking a turkey, with the expectation that her grandson, Johnny, will eat it, that's Johnny's fault for not telling her ahead of time that he doesn't eat turkeys. These days, many people are on 'special diets' and unless Grandma has been living under a rock, she will understand this and not take it personally. There's a very simple solution: Johnny calls Grandma a week before Thanksgiving, and simply tells her that he's on a special diet and will eat all the side dishes but not the turkey. Maybe he's even allergic to milk and eggs, if he thinks Grandma can understand that better. There. Not so hard.

To say people are acting unconsciously loving when they don't have the resolve to stand up to familial pressures about diet is a tough call to make.

Saying "I agree that eating animals is cruel and unnecessary and I'm working on making compassionate choices, and most of the time I do, but occasionally I fall short, because I have a weakness when my Uncle Jimmy ridicules me, and sometimes it's just easier to eat it than to explain myself"

...is very different from:

"How dare you suggest that eating pigs is cruel! But...but...but...I like bacon!"

It doesn't help that we are so far removed from the slaughter and we receive our meat either pre-cooked and presented beautifully or in neat bloodless packages weighed out by the ounce at the grocery store, with cute cut names on the package. Advertising, too, is intense, and if I'm starving sometimes even I can't deny how delicious something can look in an artfully crafted advertisement.

Yeah, it can be hard, no question about that. Cheese is so yummy and pizza smells so good. Living on this planet sometimes sucks, doesn't it?

I just wish the blanket statements would go away and we could accept that there are gray areas in this debate.

Gosh, there have been soooooo many shades of grey presented, we have a wide spectrum of color! Maybe you missed this?

http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.ph...7#pid14197

Whether someone is consciously aware that their choices are causing cruelty is a grey area.

Whether the meat-dairy industry causes torture and death to billions of innocent, sentient beings isn't.

I saw in the "spiritual diet" thread that no meat, no eggs, no dairy was spiritual. But if I had a cow, and a small flock of hens, who I cared for and loved daily, and I consumed some of their extra eggs/milk, I think this is pure spiritual love of the Creator in action. It's just as, if not more, spiritual as a tending a garden and harvesting its fruits. I think even if people source their eggs/dairy from very small production, local farms, that it can be a positive and benevolent act.

I agree. Key word here being 'extra.'

That is never the case with eggs and dairy purchased from a store or even a farmer's market.

The only reason people even bother to argue with you, Monica, is that there is a very obvious blockage in one who refuses so strongly to accept our planet in the moment. We all have this blockage from time to time, but you consistently act upon this same lack-of-acceptance here on these forums, and don't really engage anywhere else, so we just get stuck with the one Monica. And everyone wants to help her in their own way.

LOL!

We are all co-creators, we chose to be here, this is a collective reality. Yes, factory farming is abhorrent, and needs to stop ASAP, but this is the reality we are in, and before we can do anything to truly change it, we must first accept it and love it. That's like rule #1. You must first crystallize the heart chakra before you can start utilizing the full power of the throat chakra.

Agreed!

And what is #2?

QUIT DEFENDING IT AND PARTICIPATING IN IT!