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If you have a serious interest in developing the IUP and producing a philosophical treatise and curriculum for mainstream university study send an email. Elaborate on what your goals are and what specific interests you may have related to this project.
Hi Peaceful Warrior -- you make good points to clarify.
Believe me, I knew posting this stuff on this forum would be very unpopular. But am doing so to point out the need for a philosophical treatment of the LOO and to garner interest in finding others to work on a 4D philosophy project. I don't expect too many members to be interested but there's a lot of traffic from non-members who may read it and can contact me at my above gmail.
So these threads are for attracting stimulating discourse and to get a philosophy project group started. As soon as I get some real interest I will shift to working off forum with them, or if the admins here don't mind we can set up a very secluded sub-forum and stay out of everyone's way.
You may wonder why am I so motivated?
I'm in the education field and am interested in educating the mainstream academic population about the LOO. I think the material is worthy of mainstream university study and it would be a win-win situation for new students and L/L Research.
No harm in that is there? It's intent is not to bash Ra's LOO -- the same way that Nehru and Peret's intent were not to bash Larson's RS.
I made an edit in the OP to stress this approach as a kind of a Platonic Dialogue which allows for exploring ideas more freely. It works so well for me that I use it here and it makes the material more entertaining and interesting. Call it artistic license if you'd like. Similar to the Way of the Peaceful Warrior books by Dan Millman. I read those books way back when and that's a noble title to have as a Peaceful Warrior -- at times I felt like that was me working with challenging people -- mostly teaching teens in rehab situations at the time I read Millman's books.
The Ron Paul character is used to focus on metaphysical Libertarianism which is different from general mundane level libertarianism.
Again, it's important in the sense that I would like to make LOO and L/L Research relevant to mainstream academia and I think that the IUP is a reevaluated and revised LOO which is attempted in the thread Ra's Fundamental Postulates.
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=10871
No, there's no connection to the famous people -- Colbert is a fun character to use satire and to loosen people up here who may want to support the philosophical underpinnings of the LOO. It's intent is to be a blend of humor, satire and provocative thought.
Artistic and creative license is my reason for the Xandria Material which represents our potential future human 6D SMC. It also is to stimulate and explore ideas. I always make note in the Xandria Material thread that it is fictional and for appreciation of the Ra Material.
I actually see your point to some degree in that I mistakenly assumed that readers were aware of the Xandria Material thread -- I do point it out in my IUP or LOO? A philosophical debate thread but the Colbert and Ron Paul threads were satirical/Platonic dialogue so I didn't see the purpose. I'm not that forum-savvy to realize how distortive 3rd density internet forums can be -- and that's on me.
An excerpt from the IUP or LOO thread to address this:
Philosophical debates are of a much higher standard than religious or political debates -- debates that degenerate into unfocused emotional and irrational attacks and use of logical fallacies. Check the debate section of the Philosophy Forums website to see how a friendly effective debate is conducted.
The reason for the debate is to spur interest in both the IUP and LOO towards creating a coherent philosophical system around either one or both these principles by way of philosophical analysis and critique and then developing a curriculum based on this system.
I'm exploring ideas that may be credible but I'm still developing so am not attributing a solid belief to them yet. Again, it's along the same lines as the
Way of the Peaceful Warrior book series -- using a fictional approach which allows for creative exploration.
So I disagree and think it's a very productive way to explore Ra's LOO. I've read the RM several times over since 1986 so this fresh approach is much needed in my case.
Your points are noted and probably represent the views of several members here so was worth addressing. You got some valid points across and so no hard feelings from me.
If you have a serious interest in developing the IUP and producing a philosophical treatise and curriculum for mainstream university study send an email. Elaborate on what your goals are and what specific interests you may have related to this project.
Hi Peaceful Warrior -- you make good points to clarify.
Believe me, I knew posting this stuff on this forum would be very unpopular. But am doing so to point out the need for a philosophical treatment of the LOO and to garner interest in finding others to work on a 4D philosophy project. I don't expect too many members to be interested but there's a lot of traffic from non-members who may read it and can contact me at my above gmail.
So these threads are for attracting stimulating discourse and to get a philosophy project group started. As soon as I get some real interest I will shift to working off forum with them, or if the admins here don't mind we can set up a very secluded sub-forum and stay out of everyone's way.
You may wonder why am I so motivated?
I'm in the education field and am interested in educating the mainstream academic population about the LOO. I think the material is worthy of mainstream university study and it would be a win-win situation for new students and L/L Research.
No harm in that is there? It's intent is not to bash Ra's LOO -- the same way that Nehru and Peret's intent were not to bash Larson's RS.
Quote:I know this is important to you, but this sort of stuff may be better suited for your blog or something. I mean, this is basically philosophical fan-fiction, and it's not even a match for Ron Paul's actual beliefs. Paul's a devout Christian with dominionist leanings - he's writing textbooks for homeschoolers now. The man who penned a screed about the liberals' "War on Christmas" is not likely to be embracing pantheism any time soon.
I made an edit in the OP to stress this approach as a kind of a Platonic Dialogue which allows for exploring ideas more freely. It works so well for me that I use it here and it makes the material more entertaining and interesting. Call it artistic license if you'd like. Similar to the Way of the Peaceful Warrior books by Dan Millman. I read those books way back when and that's a noble title to have as a Peaceful Warrior -- at times I felt like that was me working with challenging people -- mostly teaching teens in rehab situations at the time I read Millman's books.
The Ron Paul character is used to focus on metaphysical Libertarianism which is different from general mundane level libertarianism.
Again, it's important in the sense that I would like to make LOO and L/L Research relevant to mainstream academia and I think that the IUP is a reevaluated and revised LOO which is attempted in the thread Ra's Fundamental Postulates.
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=10871
Quote:It's starting to feel like you're just appropriating the names of famous people to pretend they agree with your ideas. For that matter, you even refer repeatedly to the "Xandria Materials," but without noting they're your own fictional creation. That borders on being misleading.
No, there's no connection to the famous people -- Colbert is a fun character to use satire and to loosen people up here who may want to support the philosophical underpinnings of the LOO. It's intent is to be a blend of humor, satire and provocative thought.
Artistic and creative license is my reason for the Xandria Material which represents our potential future human 6D SMC. It also is to stimulate and explore ideas. I always make note in the Xandria Material thread that it is fictional and for appreciation of the Ra Material.
I actually see your point to some degree in that I mistakenly assumed that readers were aware of the Xandria Material thread -- I do point it out in my IUP or LOO? A philosophical debate thread but the Colbert and Ron Paul threads were satirical/Platonic dialogue so I didn't see the purpose. I'm not that forum-savvy to realize how distortive 3rd density internet forums can be -- and that's on me.
Quote:And besides, honestly... whenever one thinks they've found an either\or dichotomy, the truth is virtually always that they're both part of a larger linked system. Words are just shadows of ideas. They can never encompass the whole. So traditional This vs That debating can rarely, if ever, get at underlying truths because the nature of such debates is inherently exclusionary. "A" or "B" thinking discourages people from seeing the inherent unity of One-ness.
An excerpt from the IUP or LOO thread to address this:
Philosophical debates are of a much higher standard than religious or political debates -- debates that degenerate into unfocused emotional and irrational attacks and use of logical fallacies. Check the debate section of the Philosophy Forums website to see how a friendly effective debate is conducted.
The reason for the debate is to spur interest in both the IUP and LOO towards creating a coherent philosophical system around either one or both these principles by way of philosophical analysis and critique and then developing a curriculum based on this system.
Quote:I'm not trying to stifle discussion, but there are more productive ways to go about talking about the LOO and\or your own interpretations of Ra's words. Why don't you just say what YOU believe rather than inventing sources and then assigning them false credibility?
I'm exploring ideas that may be credible but I'm still developing so am not attributing a solid belief to them yet. Again, it's along the same lines as the
Way of the Peaceful Warrior book series -- using a fictional approach which allows for creative exploration.
So I disagree and think it's a very productive way to explore Ra's LOO. I've read the RM several times over since 1986 so this fresh approach is much needed in my case.
Your points are noted and probably represent the views of several members here so was worth addressing. You got some valid points across and so no hard feelings from me.