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    Thread: There isnt that much freedom it seems...and INFINITY


    Steppingfeet (Offline)

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    08-11-2010, 11:13 PM (This post was last modified: 08-11-2010, 11:15 PM by Steppingfeet.)
    Regarding the concept of freedom in free will and to what extent the actors within creation - be they rock, single-celled organism, human entity, or social memory complex - are endowed with actual free will in the purest, most philosophical sense, I would say that the limitations are self-chosen and self-generated, and follow in direct proportion to our degree of identification with the form of our manifestation.

    To the extent that a rock thinks it is a rock, or a sparrow thinks it is a sparrow, or wind thinks it is the wind, it will be limited by the limitations intrinsic to that form. (By "think", i don't intend the term as we would use it. I mean whatever sensory/perception intelligence each manifestation has at its own level.) What distinguishes the human from lower stages of oneness-development is its capacity to transcend its bodily form, consciously recognizing that it's identity is much greater than a simple physical entity. Its range of free will expands accordingly.

    Free will may also choose limitation as a means of generating catalyst for spiritual evolution:

    Quote:25.2 Ra: I am Ra. This instrument is aware of the basic needs of its constitution, those being meditation, acceptance of limitations, experiences of joy through association with others, and with the beauty as of the singing, and the exercising with great contact, whenever possible, with the life forces of second density, especially those of trees...<snip>

    As Ra indicates, acceptance of seeming limitation is also critical in the vertical movement of spiritual evolution, as symbolized by the crux ansata:

    Quote:93.24 Ra: ... We may indicate that the crux ansata is a part of the concept complexes of the archetypical mind, the circle indicating the magic of the spirit, the cross indicating that nature of manifestation which may only be valued by the losing. Thus the crux ansata is intended to be seen as an image of the eternal in and through manifestation and beyond manifestation through the sacrifice and the transformation of that which is manifest.

    Other ways to convey "valued by the losing" include:
    --Accepting what IS, limitation included.
    --Releasing our attachments and desires for something other than what is, including releasing our resistance to limitation.

    As Carla writes in the commentary of Book V:
    Quote:"In the time since Don’s death and the end of the Ra contact, I have come to much more of a peace with this issue, seeing clearly the way my limitations worked to refine me, to hone my sense of purpose and make ever more substantial those joys of spirit that informed my awareness."

    Free will, will have its full range in the great circle of being as it traverses octaves and densities. As we are every thing, every entity, every emotion, every situation, every etc., we will have/are having/have had the opportunity of choosing infinite permutations under the sun, including being the sun.

    It is a matter of identity, as far as I am aware. Seeming limitation and restriction of choice follows identity, itself a consequence of our point of view, or perhaps vice versa.

    Quote:99.5 Ra: I am Ra. As in all distortions, the source is the limit of the viewpoint.

    Recall that the entity who knows itself as the Creator is, "...basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread." - 48.9, Ra.

    That knowing, however, is preceded by many experiences of limitation.

    Take for instance the third-density limitation of the weakened physical vehicle:

    Quote:
    19.12 Ra: Consider, if you will, the tree for instance. It is self-sufficient. Consider, if you will, the third-density entity. It is self-sufficient only through difficulty and deprivation. (snip)

    Thus, the weakening of the physical vehicle, as you call it, was designed to distort entities towards a predisposition to deal with each other. Thus, the lessons which approach a knowing of love can be begun.


    (08-08-2010, 08:22 PM)Questioner Wrote: For a kid who's just learning how to pedal, training wheels restrict their freedom. With less freedom to fall off, maybe the kid can have a more enjoyable time learning about the relationship between their pedaling and their motion. Later on the wheels will come off, pedaling will already be an innate habit, and attention can be paid to the finer points of how to lean into turns without wiping out. I think that 4D may be like that in terms of co-creating reality.

    Well illustrated! Great example of how limitation serves growth and is eventually released as later stages in development are embraced.

    (08-08-2010, 11:48 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: Do you ever imagine "what if?" in your mind? This is what we are, the "what if?"s of the Creator's mind. One may try to change the imaginative sequence to as many possibilities as possible (forethought).

    So, you're saying that John Lennon is the songwriter for the Creator? ; )

    It can certainly and fruitfully be conceived as a big, grand "What if" experiment. What a great thought. What if I was an entity named Bryn who felt such and such a way and led such and such a life. What if I was Bryn's favorite hat which rested in such and such a place and appeared in such and such color. What if I was the continent upon which Bryn lived and was shaped in such and such way and contained such and such fauna and vegetation. What if I was GLB who interacted with Bryn and wrote such and such words and felt joy in such and such a way in so doing.

    Love/Light,
    GLB

    Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi

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    There isnt that much freedom it seems...and INFINITY - by unity100 - 08-08-2010, 10:58 AM
    RE: There isnt that much freedom it seems - by Peregrinus - 08-08-2010, 11:48 AM
    RE: There isnt that much freedom it seems - by unity100 - 08-08-2010, 12:03 PM
    RE: There isnt that much freedom it seems - by Turtle - 08-08-2010, 06:33 PM
    RE: There isnt that much freedom it seems - by Questioner - 08-08-2010, 08:22 PM
    RE: There isnt that much freedom it seems - by Steppingfeet - 08-11-2010, 11:13 PM
    RE: There isnt that much freedom it seems - by unity100 - 08-12-2010, 02:37 PM
    RE: There isnt that much freedom it seems - by βαθμιαίος - 08-08-2010, 09:36 PM
    RE: There isnt that much freedom it seems - by Questioner - 08-08-2010, 09:48 PM
    RE: There isnt that much freedom it seems - by βαθμιαίος - 08-08-2010, 09:55 PM
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    RE: There isnt that much freedom it seems - by unity100 - 08-15-2010, 05:58 AM
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    RE: There isnt that much freedom it seems - by unity100 - 08-20-2010, 05:12 PM
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