07-04-2015, 02:35 AM
Hello Dear JustLikeYou,
Thank You for your Reply.
I admit that I’ve expressed quite intuitive understanding and I fully agree with your point.
Therefore I think it may be said that for Adept of each Path, following is appropriate:
Service-to-Others – Faith/Will
Service-to-Self – Will/Faith
- as to emphasize characters of both approaches:
Service-to-Others - Through Acceptance
Service-to-Self - Through Force
But Faith is indeed needed for both Paths. Service-to-Self Adept also must “believe in”/”be trustful in regards of” existence and possibility of “Greater Reality”/ Infinite Creator.
I’m insisting upon such definite “division”, because this is first and I think mostly “divided Archetype” in term of Polarizations. In fact It depictures Polarization-It-Self. Catalyst of the Spirit also posses accent of Polarization, but there “Both Poles” are more like “Childs/Seeds to be equally cherished”.
In Experience of the Spirit Grown-Up/Fruits are to be chosen – on the other hands labels “Grown-up/Fruits” may be misleading, as within Experience Environment “Child/Seeds” are still “Growing”, but They seem to be at the Growth-Level/Stage” where Choice must be made (or mustn’t for lack of Polarization). Therefore I think it is conscious/deliberate processing/pursuing the Experience(s) that provides means of Polarization/Growth within Polarization.
Regarding the “logical disjunction” or in Ra’s quote.
I’ve brought it up, because it regards quite unique situation, which is “Density Ascension”.
I understand above Words as an indication that One shall choose whether “Attempt to cross boundaries of the Density” will be done with Faith/Will or Will/Faith. I’ve connected this “choice” with Choice of Polarization made by Seekers in Environment of Experience of the Spirit.
I have a lot to ponder on, but at the same time I’m Very Open for Discussion
All I have Best in me for You
Thank You for your Reply.
(07-03-2015, 04:00 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: Be careful with this kind of interpretation. The quotation you reference is a contentious one because it is literally the only place in the Ra Material where Ra uses "or" between "faith" and "will" rather than "and." It is also worth noting that Ra's typical treatments of these two concepts is that will is as a mental phenomenon, whereas faith is a spiritual phenomenon. Consider, for example, that Ra identifies the concept of will as being central to the Matrix of the Mind in particular.
That said, I appreciate your original approach to this troublesome quotation.
I admit that I’ve expressed quite intuitive understanding and I fully agree with your point.
Therefore I think it may be said that for Adept of each Path, following is appropriate:
Service-to-Others – Faith/Will
Service-to-Self – Will/Faith
- as to emphasize characters of both approaches:
Service-to-Others - Through Acceptance
Service-to-Self - Through Force
But Faith is indeed needed for both Paths. Service-to-Self Adept also must “believe in”/”be trustful in regards of” existence and possibility of “Greater Reality”/ Infinite Creator.
I’m insisting upon such definite “division”, because this is first and I think mostly “divided Archetype” in term of Polarizations. In fact It depictures Polarization-It-Self. Catalyst of the Spirit also posses accent of Polarization, but there “Both Poles” are more like “Childs/Seeds to be equally cherished”.
In Experience of the Spirit Grown-Up/Fruits are to be chosen – on the other hands labels “Grown-up/Fruits” may be misleading, as within Experience Environment “Child/Seeds” are still “Growing”, but They seem to be at the Growth-Level/Stage” where Choice must be made (or mustn’t for lack of Polarization). Therefore I think it is conscious/deliberate processing/pursuing the Experience(s) that provides means of Polarization/Growth within Polarization.
Regarding the “logical disjunction” or in Ra’s quote.
I’ve brought it up, because it regards quite unique situation, which is “Density Ascension”.
Ra Wrote:82.28
(…)
Ra: To cross that threshold is difficult. There is resistance at the edge,
shall we say, of each density. The faculty of faith or will needs to be
understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which
seeks past the boundary of third density.
(…)
I understand above Words as an indication that One shall choose whether “Attempt to cross boundaries of the Density” will be done with Faith/Will or Will/Faith. I’ve connected this “choice” with Choice of Polarization made by Seekers in Environment of Experience of the Spirit.
I have a lot to ponder on, but at the same time I’m Very Open for Discussion

All I have Best in me for You