08-31-2010, 10:01 PM
(08-28-2010, 06:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: if infinity wasnt aware before, it means that it wasnt infinity. for something to be infinite, it has to be everything that there can be, and also be nothing. ie, infinity.
for infinity to be able to be aware AFTER a certain state, and also to still have been infinity BEFORE that state, infinity would need to have split into 2 principles or states, aware and unaware. thus, before 'becoming aware', it would have been still infinity (because it was both aware and unaware), and so its infinity status would be actual.
that would still mean that, above the aware and unaware parts of infinity, there is still a unified infinity.
Again, you're really disagreeing with Ra. Ra said "infinity became aware," clearly implying that in their understanding there was a state before which infinity was unaware. They also said that first density recapitulates intelligent infinity in its discovery of awareness.
(08-28-2010, 06:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: infinity is basic ? entire existence is experiencing infinite numbers of octaves discovering it. it is by no means basic.
What I said was that infinity/unity is basic to Ra's teaching, and yes, it is basic to that. It's the whole premise of the Law of One. "You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One."
(08-28-2010, 06:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: moreover, there are many things, ra could expand on, even without being asked, encouraging the questioner, yet they havent. there are also things that they have withheld, regardless of questioning. just because something is not expanded on the material, does not mean that it is as it is and no more.
Ra expanded on the concept of unity/infinity at length, working it in whenever they could into their answers to Don's questions.
(08-28-2010, 06:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: again, 'containing a picture' or image, and actually BEING the entirety, are two different things.
And again, they didn't say "contains a picture." They said "contains the One Creator which is infinity." You are getting confused by the parenthetical clause. Maybe the second quote will be less confusing: "the unity of the Creator exists ... within a self-aware being." I'm not sure how they could say it more clearly.
(08-28-2010, 06:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: had it been the latter, there would be no point in multiple entities existing, because all would be the same, and there would be just one infinity.
Exactly. There is just one infinity, and there is no point other than that intelligent infinity decided to explore finity.
(08-28-2010, 06:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: and yet here we are, infinite entities experiencing an infinite creation.
Yes, and ain't it grand? We don't know, though, that the creation is infinite, at least not from Ra. "Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation."
What is infinite is us.
(08-28-2010, 06:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: firstly nothing called 'illusion' exists.
Again, you disagree with Ra.
(08-28-2010, 06:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: secondly we are spending an infinity in that 'illusory' reality. even we use the faulty term of 'illusion', if one is spending an infinity in that illusion, it means that illusion is real.
We're not spending an infinity in the illusion. It has a beginning and an end. It's true that, according to Ra, there will be another illusion after this one has coalesced, but that doesn't make any of the illusions less illusory.
(08-28-2010, 06:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: again the same thing -> having access to infinite capability is different than BEING infinite. or infinity itself.
The infinity is within; that's why we have access to it.
(08-28-2010, 06:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: you have all access to infinite capability. but realizing that capability will take an infinite amount of time.
Actually, the capability can be realized in a moment. "Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?"
(08-28-2010, 06:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: therefore, at any given moment, even if 8 octaves later than these, you are still not infinite.
Another disagreement with Ra, who says you are infinite right now.