09-01-2010, 08:46 AM
(08-31-2010, 10:01 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Again, you're really disagreeing with Ra. Ra said "infinity became aware," clearly implying that in their understanding there was a state before which infinity was unaware. They also said that first density recapitulates intelligent infinity in its discovery of awareness.
Quote:Ra expanded on the concept of unity/infinity at length, working it in whenever they could into their answers to Don's questions.
Quote:Again, you disagree with Ra.
Quote:Another disagreement with Ra, who says you are infinite right now.
i have no problems in disagreeing with Ra. ra already left many things unexplained, either not to infringe upon adept's work, or to prevent intrusions to free will.
not to mention that they didnt answer what was not asked, except in rare occasions, also adding that they dont want to be bringers of unchanging dogma.
its up to us to discover.
Quote:And again, they didn't say "contains a picture." They said "contains the One Creator which is infinity." You are getting confused by the parenthetical clause. Maybe the second quote will be less confusing: "the unity of the Creator exists ... within a self-aware being." I'm not sure how they could say it more clearly.
towards inside, maybe yes. towards outside, no.
it is apparent that, you, me, are not equivalent to infinity, since we are changing, morphing and evolving.
there may be infinite universes inside us, yet, there are also infinite universes outside us. this makes us, not infinite. there is an infinity outside us.
Quote:(08-28-2010, 06:43 AM)unity100 Wrote: had it been the latter, there would be no point in multiple entities existing, because all would be the same, and there would be just one infinity.
Exactly. There is just one infinity, and there is no point other than that intelligent infinity decided to explore finity.
irrelevant. infinity, by definition, needs to have finity in its own self already. also, it has to have the 'exploration of finity' concept within itself, already present.
it cannot explore anything. it is already the thing to explore, the exploration and the exploration of that thing performed and done. not to mention that it is also the exploration of that thing that is being done and is going to be done.
this is what infinity means. anything that is different from this state, is not infinite.
Quote:Yes, and ain't it grand? We don't know, though, that the creation is infinite, at least not from Ra. "Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation."
What is infinite is us.
mistake. that says we dont know whether the 'universe' is infinite there. not existence, or creation. universe refers to the universe we are in as of now, containing these galaxies. not creation.
Quote:We're not spending an infinity in the illusion. It has a beginning and an end. It's true that, according to Ra, there will be another illusion after this one has coalesced, but that doesn't make any of the illusions less illusory.
does it have a beginning and an end ?
so, it ends when you merge with infinite intelligence at the end of 7th density this octave.
but then, another octave filled with 'illusion' begins. then it ends, another one filled with various other illusory existences begins.
so it goes until eternity.
basically, infinite amount of time is spent in illusions. that makes that 'illusion' infinite in scope, therefore, a reality.
Quote:The infinity is within; that's why we have access to it.
explain then please. not to mention that 'having access' is not equivalent to being, you even need to explain the concept that 'we have "access" to infinity, because infinity is within'.
Quote:Actually, the capability can be realized in a moment. "Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?"
enlightenment != infinity.