09-01-2010, 10:35 AM
(09-01-2010, 08:46 AM)unity100 Wrote: i have no problems in disagreeing with Ra.
The problem is you are disagreeing with the basis of their teaching. It doesn't really matter if you agree with the trivia if you disagree with the fundament.
(09-01-2010, 08:46 AM)unity100 Wrote: there may be infinite universes inside us, yet, there are also infinite universes outside us. this makes us, not infinite. there is an infinity outside us.
The Infinite Creator is within us. Logically, in order to contain it, we have to be infinite.
(09-01-2010, 08:46 AM)unity100 Wrote: it cannot explore anything. it is already the thing to explore, the exploration and the exploration of that thing performed and done. not to mention that it is also the exploration of that thing that is being done and is going to be done.
I think you're missing the importance of free will. Infinity can and does explore. Nothing is known because of the infinite variety of interactions possible when free will meets free will.
(09-01-2010, 08:46 AM)unity100 Wrote: this is what infinity means. anything that is different from this state, is not infinite.
Infinity is all that exists. Logically, it has to be. This means that in reality there is only one thing: infinity/unity. The paradox at the heart of Ra's teaching is that each seemingly separate entity actually contains the entirety of that infinity/unity. That means that when you and I discuss, it's actually the Creator discussing with Itself.
(09-01-2010, 08:46 AM)unity100 Wrote:Quote:Yes, and ain't it grand? We don't know, though, that the creation is infinite, at least not from Ra. "Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation."
What is infinite is us.
mistake. that says we dont know whether the 'universe' is infinite there. not existence, or creation. universe refers to the universe we are in as of now, containing these galaxies. not creation.
The point that you're missing is that they say "there is no end to your selves." No end = infinite.
(09-01-2010, 08:46 AM)unity100 Wrote: basically, infinite amount of time is spent in illusions. that makes that 'illusion' infinite in scope, therefore, a reality.
This doesn't follow. An infinite amount of illusion is still illusion.
(09-01-2010, 08:46 AM)unity100 Wrote:Quote:The infinity is within; that's why we have access to it.
explain then please. not to mention that 'having access' is not equivalent to being, you even need to explain the concept that 'we have "access" to infinity, because infinity is within'.
The quote I gave (below) explains, as do the various ones I gave you in the Ra-Horakte thread on faith. You can open the door to the present moment (= the door to infinity) in a moment. The question is when you will do so.
(09-01-2010, 08:46 AM)unity100 Wrote:Quote:Actually, the capability can be realized in a moment. "Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?"
enlightenment != infinity.
The point is, enlightenment is an opening to infinity, which is what we were discussing.