There isnt that much freedom it seems...and INFINITY

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The problem is you are disagreeing with the basis of their teaching. It doesn't really matter if you agree with the trivia if you disagree with the fundament.

the basis of Ra's message with this material for this particular space/time continuum of this planet is, 'everything is one because there is one infinity'.

the nature of that infinity, the details, are not contained as basis. discovering and learning the details are left to the seeker.

The Infinite Creator is within us. Logically, in order to contain it, we have to be infinite.

infinite creator is not infinity. that detail aside,

an infinite creator being within US, as in us all, would mean that we all together constitute infinity. in that way, it would be true and valid.

however, your meaning and approach is, 'because i have infinite creator within me, i am infinity'. which becomes wrong, because there are other entities than you in the infinity, manifesting as separate entities. since you dont contain the bird flying outside your window within you at this moment, it means that you do not contain the infinity outside you, illusory, or not. else, the bird outside would be able to contain infinity inside in and out, and there would be no point to anything existing but that bird. that can be repeated for any separately manifesting entity.

'in spirit, principle' and 'in actual manifestation' are two different things.

I think you're missing the importance of free will. Infinity can and does explore. Nothing is known because of the infinite variety of interactions possible when free will meets free will.

free will, is also a concept/entity within infinity. exploration, and all the explored, and all the explored things' exploredness also have to be present within the infinity before and after that act of exploration, for infinity to be infinite before that act.

therefore, infinity couldnt explore anything, because, it is already the thing to be explored, the explorer, and the state of exploredness before that exploration can even happen.

even the concept of 'happening' is something within infinity.

that is because infinity, is infinite, and therefore has to contain everything conceptually.

it doesnt interact, because the concept of interaction, and infinite amount of interactions that are possible in between infinite amount of entities/interactors are already present within itself.

the knowledge/understanding/state of those interactions having happened and full realization of them, are also concepts that are present within the infinity.

that is because, infinity has to be infinite in all regards in order to be able to be infinity.

this is why it cannot explore anything.

Infinity is all that exists. Logically, it has to be. This means that in reality there is only one thing: infinity/unity. The paradox at the heart of Ra's teaching is that each seemingly separate entity actually contains the entirety of that infinity/unity. That means that when you and I discuss, it's actually the Creator discussing with Itself.

'existence' is even itself a concept within infinity. you are still fixed on conceptualizing and analyzing existing things, apparently. the concept which we know as existence, is one of the infinite number of concepts within infinity. infinity means that, there are other concepts than 'existing', in regard to the existing entity, would be present in infinity.

what you call as 'creator', even itself, is an entity/concept within the infinity. the reason it is able to experience, explore, is this. it is because it isnt infinite, by being intelligent, differentiated from infinity.

The point that you're missing is that they say "there is no end to your selves." No end = infinite.

that is a hollow justification and a narrow analysis.

being no end to oneself in regard to time and space does not mean the entity is infinity in its entirety.

had it been otherwise, we wouldnt go through octaves, change, manifest, and become limited even if 'illusorily'. yet we are. that means, even if our existence, and probably inner world and future outer world and manifestation is infinite, (and it is), we are still not infinity itself, not in any given time/space, even in 100 octaves later.

basically, infinite amount of time is spent in illusions. that makes that 'illusion' infinite in scope, therefore, a reality.

This doesn't follow. An infinite amount of illusion is still illusion.

an infinite amount of illusion means infinity spent in illusion. it makes what you call illusion, a part of manifestation towards infinite time. it means, at an infinite time into the future, you will still be experiencing something what you choose to dub as 'illusion'. yet, even if you dub it illusion or not, it is going to be a part of your existence towards eternity.

that makes the derogatory 'illusion' dubbing, redundant.

The quote I gave (below) explains, as do the various ones I gave you in the Ra-Horakte thread on faith. You can open the door to the present moment (= the door to infinity) in a moment. The question is when you will do so.

The point is, enlightenment is an opening to infinity, which is what we were discussing.

then, it doesnt explain anything in regard to justification.

opening a door to something does not make the entrant the thing door opens to. it may lead to an understanding, realization of the thing, or, it may lead to a unification with that thing, acting as one, yet, it does not make either the door or the entrant the thing the door opened to.

it may open up to infinite possibilities, yet, it doesnt make the entrant infinite possibilities itself.

faith, trust, and acting in perfect harmony and conjunction as co creator with infinite intelligence, does not make one infinite intelligence. it makes the entity one, harmonious, synchronous with it.