(12-02-2015, 08:34 PM)anagogy Wrote:(12-02-2015, 08:26 PM)Aion Wrote: If we could strip away the concept of 'ordering' when it comes to the densities and the way they are 'numbered' I think we would find we have almost an identical conception and would attribute the same concepts the same description.
The image I see is the same, we just use the terminology differently I think.
I actually believe in a 'zero state' which would be like 0D and that would be the 'magnet' as you describe. I view the octave kind of like a mobius strip. There is no actual 'break' between this octave and the next, that's just an illusion. That's why I believe the Logos never dissolves and is actually an eternal, permanent sense of self which the Creator itself is. I believe the Logos is the only sense of self which exists within the Creator. Thus, when one dissolves in to the Creator they become a pure Logos.
I do not believe this to be differentiation though. It's the unified sense of self. Thus, I think only entities dissolve in to the Creator but the Creator never dissolves.
Let me ask you a question, Aion, do you see each higher density as being the "container" for each lower density? Like as in: 1 inside of 2 inside of 3 inside of 4 and so on, and 8th being the container for all? Sort of like a matryoshka doll? Because that is how I see it.
I think that all the densities, or rays, always exist within the oneness of creation. Each vibratory level is an eternal aspect. But just as you can't see the individual red, or individual green in white light because it all mixed together, in the white light that is the octave density, you can't see the violet layer that is the Logos. Don't get me wrong, it is there, but there is no differentiation.
So I see the octave density as just pure beingness. It contains all potentiality. All infinity is there. But there is no differentiation. Just white light of everythingness. Awareness of awareness, but no awareness of self. Self or "Logos" is in there, somewhere, it just doesn't "come out to play" till it, somehow, desires differentiation again.
I actually think if it more like an onion where each layer is actually an extension of One design which would be the core. Now if you were to imagine this onion is infinite and thus only has an outside skin when it is observed, or rather, when the layer is 'peeled apart' or separated by the Logos. Yet, there is still a core it seems from which all things stem.
So, again using my mobius strip as an example. If we have the densities as 'zones' along the spectrum of the mobius strip then we have 'our' position. This is the 'zero' point in that it is the point where everything meets. Thus, like a hologram creating an image, I think every layer is seamlessly fused to every other. I think this is similar to your idea but maybe not quite. I like the onion because it is an organic system with cells which to me is more representative of the 'living universe'.
So, the zero is everywhere, it's the foundation of all densities. To use your analogy of the dolls, it would be wherever that doll is, but also be the doll and its position. Thus, I see reality as a web like the Net of Indra which is spherically arranged like the Flower of Life. These are like the cells of the onion.
God, working in kitchens has fooded up my brain.
Basically I would correlate the core with the One Creator and the Logos. The Logos to me is the focusing of the Creator but it's first focus is itself in its infinite state and this is the octave density as you describe it. However, I believe this IS the Logos. The octave is an extension of the Logos, its body of experience.
The octave is the prism which differentiated light but the Logos created the Light through its focus (Love) upon the potentials within Intelligent Infinity, thereby making them kinetic as 'experience', giving 'knowledge' which means that new potentials emerge back to the One Infinite which then continued the cycle.