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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Strictly Law of One Material Archetypes of Mind, Body, & Spirit A football analagy for the archetypes

    Thread: A football analagy for the archetypes


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    03-31-2009, 08:57 PM
    (03-31-2009, 10:03 AM)3D Sunset Wrote:
    (03-30-2009, 04:00 PM)Quantum Wrote: The Magician seems to be resonate with the word Alchemist, both words in this context implying He/She which is able to be transcendent, able to indeed ultimately transcend to that space where all is merged, all is resolved, all is absolved, where all is ultimately able to be turned into Gold, as it were. God's gold.

    (03-31-2009, 10:03 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: Excellent observations, Q, but isn't the Alchemist, the Great Way of the Body? Does the Magician possesses a less specific magic than transmutation and transcendence? Is this magic only spiritual, or is it physical as well? Is not all the world magical when viewed through an uncluttered mind?


    I would suggest we utilize these words perhaps more as allegory by analogy. From Wikipedia: Alchemy is both a philosophy and a practice with an aim of achieving ultimate wisdom this towards achieving ultimate immortality intimating the LOO concept of infinity. Thus as primarily philosophy, it may be argued that the silver or gold transmutation is the transmutation of the inner man (consciousness) vs the outer man (body) indeed aimed at immortality, i.e. . Again Wkiipedia: Generally, derives from the Old French alkemie; from the Arabic al-kimia: "the art of transformation." Some scholars believe the Arabs borrowed the word kimia ("χημεία") from Greek for transmutation.[2] Others, such as Mahdihassan,[3] argue that its origins are Chinese.

    Therefore to your 2nd question: "Does the Magician possesses a less specific Magic than transmutation and transcendence?"
    Groping in the dark, as it were, I might therefore suggest that the work of the Magician is not only not less specific, but in fact perhaps the culmination of the work of the Alchemist. It is transmutation succeeded, meaning direct success from this carnal world, and of this carnal world, but no longer entirely residing in the carnal world, but rather from, and through it's higher realms achieved, i.e. "Though I am in the world, I am not of the world." The Magician in this sense then is the Grand Balancer culmination not only between this world and the next, but of all worlds, and of all archetypes. He/She/IT is the Matrix.

    To your third question: Is this magic only spiritual, or is it physical as well?
    Let us assume that Magic being magic, transmutes and transmits through the veil, as in:above so below, such that the Magician is indeed performing Magic by surely acting from a higher realm spiritually, but also magic through the body by acting/reflecting it out physically as well. Thus may the magic from the spiritual be made manifest into the physical, as much as from the physical up through the spiritual, not withstanding that there are those that are more apt, as in adept, magicians than others. The magician manifesting lice in his hair and under a bridge is no less magical than is the one who doesn't. It only appears that way in as much as it would seem the one magician is more focused through will and intent than is the other. But both are equally performing magic through manifestation which is running up as much as it is down.

    (03-30-2009, 04:00 PM)Quantum Wrote: The way of Magic is by way of the inner path.
    (03-31-2009, 10:03 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: Isn't the conscious mind, the matrix if you will, constantly bombarded with sensations and images from the outer world, though? Mustn't the way of the magician embrace both outer and inner, and seek a balance between them? Mustn't the Magician effectively process the outer world into the inner?

    Yes, partially, to all 3 question. It would seem we are falling into the trap of defining the mind as being contained in the body physical? You state "Isn't the conscious mind, the matrix if you will" as seeming to suggest that the Matrix Of The Mind is relegated to the 'conscious mind' alone, as in "conscious mind/the matrix" as written. I would to the converse suggest that The Matrix of The Mind as that property, if you will, as being the amalgamation between 'Consciousness' and the 'Conscious Mind', thus by way of alchemy becoming the Magician. Herein is where I suggest that the Magician has merged consciousness with his conscious mind, thus the awakening. It seems you are suggesting that the mind, as in conscious mind, lies, by definition, within the realm of the body physical alone(?) i.e. the brain, or some other such location or organ? It is an old argument we are all familiar with, yet we continue, by conditioning alone, to perhaps name the mind as though physical. One's consciousness, it may be argued, is not in one's conscious mind (God help us if it were), and as such is no greater outside the body than it was when within it. Therefore attempting to contact dear dead Uncle Charley may have no more value than when he was alive. So what then is the fuss of these mediums on TV, and connecting up with dear dead dumb Uncle Charley, no wiser for having ventured into "Crossing Over" with the same consciousness in tact, but no doubt eager to return for a better go at it upon review? But all things being equal, poor uncle Charley not having received his 15 minutes of fame while incarnate, and in the full knowledge that he will be on TV, may do so now while discarnate. It may be further argued that one's consciousness may be stretching and evolving at all times, and thus forever, and so therefore our journey continues, not just within one's body. It may be argued that The Ra Group, certainly being of one sound mind, as such has presumably achieved a grander more elegant "One Full Matrix Of Mind' as consequence. Although understandably we may not be bombarded by bodily sensations when out of it (body), as when in it, it nonetheless assumes the same understanding that this was the very reason we in fact chose to enter it. So, yes to your question(s). It seems that indeed the Magician, as analogous to the Matrix of Mind, is continually seeking balance, within the body, as well as without, and thus therein lies the work of the magic, and independant of where consciousness is residing at any given time. In this context, it may be argued that the Matrix of the Mind survives the body, as in the example of Ra, and that it is a given that archetypes are resonate energies having no physicality. Were one to argue to the contrary, then where is the Hierophant, where is the Priest, where is the Priestess, etc. It is perhaps more as regards 'The Matrix of Mind' than the other archetypes, that indeed as a result of the word 'MIND' that we become attached to that which may seem physical. And thus we return to our posts from "The Harvest - What Is Everyone's Gut Feeling on 2012", post #173 on the folly of words.

    (03-31-2009, 10:03 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: 3. Why is the matrix the first archetypal role?

    (03-30-2009, 04:00 PM)Quantum Wrote: It is where all merges, is held, is contained in non-contained form, aspires to, where all descends from, ultimately ascending back to, but as if though on an ever higher spiraled return to a yet higher experience and knowledge upon the return where all is merged. Thus the MATRIX, from which consciousness hails as a vessel, to ultimately return to, which seemingly is presently on another level and order, but is not, is thus contained wholly within the Matrix of Mind.

    (03-31-2009, 10:03 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: Does this not overplay the stature of the matrix of the mind? Is the matrix first because it's most important, or is it first because it is what we experience most profoundly?

    It would seem not to overplay, as much as simply serve in it's role, as much as does any other archetype, such as the heirophant as the mystagogue interpreter.

    (03-31-2009, 10:03 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: Here's an interesting thought for us to play with as we explore other archetypes: How great, if any, a role does each archetype play in our conscious thought process. Clearly, the matrix of the mind, ever curious, ever creative, is a large component of our conscious thoughts, but is the sole component? Is consciousness wholly contained in the Matrix of the Mind?

    It might be argued that until a teacher or wayshower, be it an experience, or those such as Ra, gives the teaching/thought/example of the archetype, that these roles would forever remain submerged, and therefor never play even a small component in our conscious thought process (i.e. said magician under bridge with said 2nd density lice in hair, as much as said Wall Street Broker with hardly much more consciousness, albeit sleeping in better diggs, this as result of perhaps more focus, but neither being aware of archetypes consciously). Perhaps to your more intended statement however, each role is as significant as the other, and yet none reside wholly contained in the mind consciously, as the mind in this context is not a place, as much as consciousness is not a place, as much as the Matrix of the Mind is not a place or location, as much as it is a resonate energy by, this by way of a universal subconscious representation. I would argue that consciousness is not contained anywhere, as much as it is not contained in the Matrix of Mind. It IS the Matrix of Mind. It may be argued that God is Consciousness, that we are Children of His Consciousness, and as such we are part and parcel of that Matrix, the Mind of God, the Matrix of God if you will, part of and yet separate from, contained not in our conscious mind, but indeed transcendent.

    (03-31-2009, 10:03 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: 4. Does the term Magician imply a male?

    (03-30-2009, 04:00 PM)Quantum Wrote: No. It is Archetype, devoid of gender, where gender is reconciled.

    (03-31-2009, 10:03 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: Does not the magician seem to possess the positive (male) aspects of action, reaching, seeking, and doing? Does not the matrix need some polarizing aspect to motivate and excite it? Is not neutrality, devoid of gender, also lacking in movement, resting in the now, and not seeking the next? Does not the matrix need a potentiating force? How does one potentiate neutrality?

    One does not potentiate that which may be beyond potentiation. Potentiation, it may be argued, is the domain of incarnation, be it 1D, 2D, or 7D. I would continue to suggest that the Matrix Of Mind as indeed being analogous to Consciousness, and as such indeed devoid of polarization, and as such operating not in neutrality, but above it, as in time/space vs space/time. Consciousness as such, abiding in time/space, rests not in neutrality, but outside of it. Consciousness as such indeed then rests in the All Present Now. Allowing us the example, if I may be so bold as to suggest, God rests neither in Space or in Time, nor in Time or Space, but outside of both. Perhaps we aspire through the Awakened Consciousness to the same rather than the former.

    I would once again, in humor as much as in caution, judiciously suggest that words are very tricky things indeed, and as such may act as though magnetic poles that attract certain understandings to them, this by way of their definition in connotation to conscious thinking, even when intelligent or abstract, or both (lol), but perhaps more particularly when abstract, such as those examples previously named, i.e. density vs octave vs dimension, or Magician to Alchemist, verses "to be conscious" to "consciousness". It is as if we must perform the Jedi Mind Trick so that we may disassociate the word Matrix as a Place, or divorced from the word conscious vs consciousness, this as a result of the vibrational association of the word conscious, all of which may easily be construed as though interchangeably utilized as though one with the other.

    Offered humbly as conjecture through the glass darkly,

    Q

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