(10-03-2010, 09:17 PM)thefool Wrote: But I can visualize a group of entities getting together in a true desire to serve others by helping them get organized or truly helping them achieve something that they care about. If that is your idea of socialism then I am all for it but not practical on 3D earth, as too difficult to find incorruptible individuals on a consistent basis. We need a system of checks and balances. Where the power is not highly concentrated.
not practical on earth ?
its already being practiced in open source project formats. recently, these formats have moved to hardware production, further than software. there are some organizations, some small charities operating with these principles. some are already proposing governance concepts based on these.
however, one thing still remains ; any entity who wants to remain part of any given group, just like in these projects, or in the fusion reactor 4d society example, will need to oblige with the collective. if not, they can branch the project like in open source projects, and break up, or, like in the 4d fusion reactor example, incarnate in another planet.
but simply, freedoms are not unlimited.
Quote:Where I may disagree is the idea that there is limited supply of all things. I think this needs to be corrected to limited supply of all things physical. But unlimited supply of anything non-physical. This universe is a mystery and infinite. There are no edges to it. it is not a box we are in, it is always expanding or contracting for that matter...The spiritual love has no limits. more you give more you shall receive and it just keep on increasing. This is not just a saying, I find it true...We have access to intelligent infinity/energy at all times and infinity by the very definition is not restrictive. let's take an example: the concept of ZERO. no matter how many zeros you take out of zero, zero still remains the same. so one zero can produce infinite other zeros and not reducing even a bit.. Of course the physical love is restricted by time you can give to the loved one and so forth...But the spiritual love the non-physical is not limited, the more you give the more there is to give...
this is incorrect, since space/time and time/space both contain elements from each other. actually, they are just weighted versions of each other.
just like how physicality exists in physical world to have the astral distribute over it, in astral, physicality is distributed over the astral.
physical and nonphysical cannot be separated at any given point. only, their balance and weighting can change.
moreover, since there are still bodies needed in order to manifest in astral plane (time/space bodies in time/space, hence the physicality), the amount of energy that these can channel and shoulder will still be limited with their capacity. and since physicality applies there too, in lessened amount, there may be much more astral energy circulating, but there will still be limits as to any manifesting node, concept, reality can handle and transfer.
(10-03-2010, 08:41 PM)Questioner Wrote: The human version of 3D economics, is based on allocation of scare physical resources necessary for the basics of survival. Channeled information about 4D+ indicates that beyond the 3D Veil and Harvest, the basics of life survival will no longer be so scarce as to involve questions who gets to live and who must die; all premises based on not enough for everyone to exist and thrive will become irrelevant. 4D+ will involve a higher version of economics, based on coordinated activity to optimally express loving care and service.
organization and decision making will still be needed for that optimization of service.
this time, other resources will need to be arranged. you may be able to find all the food you need, but there will be other resources to use. even that loving care and service's love energy part, will need to be spent accordingly. especially because the 4d planet is new, and the amount of 4d activity is low.
Quote:The human version of 3D government, is based on a monopoly of force over a geographic territory. Channeled information about 4D+ indicates that beyond the Veil and Harvest, the use of force and the monopoly of demands will not be relevant concepts. Coordination will be on a voluntary, free will basis that is far beyond the limitations of our current experiences with politics.
the human version of 3d government was supposed to be an organization to solve disputes. then it evolved to record who owns what land, then it evolved to regulating trade, and in the meantime defense entered the question, along with religion. naturally negativized. from this point on it couldnt stay positive.
however, 'coordination will be on a voluntary, free will basis' is not a reality.
EVERYwhere in this universe there are dos, and donts. just like the fusion reactor example i discussed with thefool, there will be other, less extreme concepts that will need to be done, or not done, even in a 6d environment.
if, one wants to be a member of a group, s/he will need to agree and comply with the society.
the very fact that, an entity needs 51% positive polarity is itself a significant agreement, acceptance, compliance. it is also important in that, 51% positivity means that the entity would think more of the group, than self. which means, the entity would consider group's thoughts and decisions more than self. which, in turn, means that, since entire group will be doing that, they would be automatically complying and obliging with entire group.
as polarization rises, this would get even more significant.
Quote: Capabilities and possibilities may be astronomically beyond what we are currently used to;
wow. you are exaggerating 4d way too much.