How Do STS's View Other Selves?

[anagogy]

Perceiving evil is a paradox and realizing that there is no evil within your reality is one of the great learnings of the Creator of Itself. The Creator is not evil, you are not evil, others are not evil, no portion of your reality ever is evil. You have the freedom to misperceive that there is evil, but awareness that aligns itself with unity won't see evil because to see evil is to misperceive things. You have linked evil with extreme selfishness, well there is no true selfishness either. Selfishness is an illusion and paradox, just like evil. Every single time you believe someone is selfish, you are misunderstanding them and the cause and effect of their imbalances which is without selfishness. If you see the Creator as non-dual selflessness that is considerate of both self and other-selves in the most fair fashion, then you understand that seeming selfishness is simply considerate of things you perceive not and which you fail to understand the balance of it's conditions through which selflessness manifest itself for you to see.

You can dismiss almost anything as "not existing" if you recourse to nonduality. Because almost everything cancels out in nonduality. I have no disagreement with you on that front, and never have.

But when you attempt to apply the rules of the Absolute to the relative universe of duality you are moving backwards in my opinion, by looking at manifestations which are actual within our illusion, and then pretending they aren't real. You can say they are illusions, sure, but just like the game analogy I presented earlier you still have to deal with them if you want to progress.

For example: I could say, "Well physicality isn't real, and every time you see solid matter you are misperceiving what is really there, because in the Absolute there is no tangible form. Your translation of reality is not in alignment with nonduality." But if you go running full blast at a concrete wall, I'll wager the manifestation will convince you mightily of its "realness".

And this is why it is absurd to pretend evil doesn't exist. To not acknowledge it is equivalent to pretending pain doesn't exist. Does pretending pain doesn't exist make it, the so called "illusory manifestation", go away? No, the distortion remains. So the attempt to clear it via that method was a failure from my perspective.

Extreme selfishness and extreme selflessness (martyrdom) are simply two great states of imbalance . One steps upon the portions of creation it is less intimate with, while the other steps upon the portion of creation it is most intimate with, both because of a state of imbalance in their awareness.

You said you believe there is no greater illumination to find in perceiving no evil, well I think that is really plain wrong. The realization of perceiving no evil is probably one that is most freeing realization one can have that has most potential to boost your positive polarity. It's literally allowing yourself to incarnate a default postive feedback of your reality, even when you perceive seeming-negativity. Not to speak that to perceive no evil is the easiest shortcut out of any state you would consider to be evil, it's really to make the choice to see the light where light is what there is to see.

Just because I see and acknowledge that evil exists doesn't mean that I'm not optimistic. It just means that if I see one man murder another man in cold blood, I don't delude myself into thinking he did it for the benefit of mankind. It makes me more objective, because I'm not attempting to filter some presumed distortion from my reality. It just means I don't conflate selfishness with its complete opposite. Frankly, in my opinion, conflating the two doesn't lead to more harmony, it leads to much much less, because you are more likely to be manipulated by negatively oriented beings.

But I really do sincerely believe that realizing nondual awareness is *NOT* about pretending any given dichotomy is not real, but rather CLEARLY perceiving the dichotomy, which leads naturally to the perception of the continuum, or dimension of experience, that they both extend from. So rather than pretend evil doesn't exist, I see it for what it is, and in clearly seeing it, I see a real glimpse of the creator, rather than some preconceived notion of how I imagine it to be.

I think what you said about the moral compass is the most misguided portion of what you said. First off, you can't really draw any objective line by asking a whole bunch of completely confused people with little understanding of both themselves and others. Secondly, the moral compass you speak is ever in relation to your unconscious. When you infringe, you really just step upon your own feelings (others are a mirror upon yourself), this is why infringement is a somewhat abstract concept, it ever only truly relates to yourself. So is there an objective line? No, there is none but within yourself you should have an illusionary subjective one that is delimited by your inner feelings and understanding of your reality and this is what is used to either polarize toward the positive or the negative. This line also is ever shifting and evolving until your resolve all paradox and it is no more.

I don't believe I said anything about an objective line in the sand delineating what constitutes infringement, but for a conscious and self aware being it is a simple matter of realizing if something doesn't feel good to you, it probably doesn't feel good to others either. There will certainly be distortions, because not everybody likes or dislikes the same things, but the core factor is that a self aware being knows that other beings are conscious and suffer as well, so at some point in any given interaction with another, it will become obvious that an action is an infringement.

They will say something to the effect of, "Hey jerk! You're infringing on me!"