Is The Game Rigged?

[Quantum]

As always, great feedback. Thank you all. I hope this is good stuff, as I'm still spinning it around. If I may pursue the line of questioning further? Lets go back to basics and see if I have it right:

The game is rigged. It is/was only you all along. The joke is on you for you, and you do it to yourself with vigor, love, and much pain....and you like it!

Hi Seejay. Pleased to make your acquaintance. In the end, your right on of course. We do it to very much to ourselves.

I think it's random. In the quote from session 30, I think Don's assumption that entities have polarity as they emerge is the part that Ra said was incorrect.

Help me more clearly, with your understanding. I read that Ra stated to Don's question "This statement is quite perceptive and correct ? see below:

It would seem that as the Logos subdivided, parts would select each orientation. As individualized entities emerge in space/time then I would assume that they have polarity. Is this statement correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This statement is quite perceptive and correct until the final phrase in which we note that the polarities begin to be explored only at the point when a third density entity becomes aware of the possibility of choice between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others. This marks the end of what you may call the unself-conscious or innocent phase of conscious awareness

at which point it continues:

until the final phrase in which we note that the polarities begin to be explored only at the point when a third density entity becomes aware of the possibility of choice between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others."

The above seems to suggest that after the subdivisions were given their orientations of polarity that then at the stage of 3D they are no longer innocent in them, as they are now self-aware of them. What do you think?

In other words, as the Logos subdivided, IT selected each orientation (polarity). Does this not seemingly suggest that we did not select our own orientation of polarity entirely of our own volition? If so, this statement seems to indicate that it is far from random. What I then read is that we are relegated to explore this orientation (pre-selected/chosen for us?) later in 3D, presumably as a result that we are incapable of doing so prior to the self-awareness capacity unavailable until in 3D. 3D is the density of self-awareness, not the density of polarization, albeit that in the density of awareness we explore that polarization to increase it. see below:

79.27 Questioner: Well I was aware of that. I probably didn’t state the question correctly. It’s a very difficult question to state. I don’t know if it’s worth attempting to continue with but what I meant was when this very first experiment with the veiling process occurred, did it result in service-to-self polarization with the first experiment?

Ra: I am Ra. The early, if we may use this term, Logoi produced service-to-self and service-to-others mind/body/spirit complexes immediately. The harvestability of these entities was not so immediate and thus refinements of the archetypes began apace .

There it is again. The basics seem to indicate that The Logoi produced STS and STO immediately. The harvest however initially was not so immediate, and this is when the veil was introduced and developed, i.e. unconsciousness, not knowing, forgetting, etc. Polarity from the LOGOS subdividing ( i.e. before us) was always there, long long before the veil. The veil was only created to forget so as to increase the polarity previously ordained and chosen, and the harvest thereof of each orientation faster. Again, help me. Am I being too much of a literalist here, or is this what you also read?

Creation is a single entity or unity. If only a single entity exists, then the only concept of service is the concept of service to self. If this single entity subdivides, then the concept of service of one of its parts to one of its other parts is born. From this springs the equality of service to self or to others.

I agree that polarity did not exist prior to the Logos subdividing, or that if it did there was only an un-individuated one-self to begin with, and thus only self. But, and here is the key point, upon the Logos in fact subdividing is when it chose its orientations of polarity is what seems to be stated?

Both understandings have to do with the self and other selves therefor a dog does not know the difference but instead does so on survival much like a pack of wolves.

Thanks again LSD. Agreed again, the dog does not know the difference. It cant, given it is in the density of non-self-awareness. In other words, as given above, it may be a bad dog, but doesn't know it..yet. But that upon knowing it, i.e. as a M/S/B complex in 3D as a man, it then becomes more aware of itself knowing it is indeed STS. See?

Let me be clear here. I'm shooting in the dark. I'm not particularly fond of what I'm suggesting. In fact, I'm a little ticked to be honest. But....?

What am I reading?

Hey Quantum,

I agree with the sentiments thus far from the other members, although I admit it is a very interesting bit of thinking that you give. Light has no meaning without the companion of Dark, and likewise STO means absolutely gibberish if there is not something else to contrast it with. Indeed, much as we here at Bring4th enjoy challenging each other's viewpoints, knowing them to be different, so that we might better understand our own (or change them altogether).

Hey back at ya Lavazza. Agreed 100%. There aint no up without a down, or a black w/out a white. There must be polarity. And I most certainly concur with the bolded portion above which I've attempted tirelessly to share with another participant as regards being challenged, as opposed to looking only for agreement. Thanks for having fun by the way...and being such a SPORT in joy for the joy alone!!!

But, the Ra quote I'm focusing on not only takes it into account from inception that there must be knives to rocks upon which blades are sharpened upon, but more to the point that IT created the knives and the rocks to begin with as opposites from the start, i.e. orientation, i.e. polarity, versus perhaps the rocks choosing for themselves to be rocks and the knives likewise.

I would have to say that prior to the veiling STO really didn't exist. It would appear to exist from our vantage point now, were we to be able to look backwards in time. But for the entities that existed AT that time, I'm sure they would never have been able to understand the concept. They may have understood the concept of service, possibly. But even that seems to imply otherness, which I am guessing wasn't really on their mental radar screens. I hope I'm communicating this in a lucid fashion...

And this is what I mean about forever returning to basics and challenging one another to remain sharp. I fell asleep too with the veiling process before waking back up to the two quotes found in question above. Polarity from the LOGOS forward was always there. The veil is only about forgetting, as is implicit in the word veil.

In short, I don't think the game is really rigged such that some entities will be STS for the purpose of allowing STO to exist, or vicaversa (if I understand your point correctly), because as Ra explained, there was a point where polarity didn't exist (pre-veiling).

Once again agreed. There was no STO/STS until the Logos subdivided. It presumably subdivided long before we came along. See?

Does any of this make sense?

GOD, NO. It doesn't. I confess none of it does. I don't even know what I'm proposing given I have to recover from what I thought I knew if what I'm now asking may be correct.

I have some thoughts about your dog scenario example, but I'll save them for now so as to not detract from the main topic, but please let me know and I'll be happy to share

I'm always open to your thoughts Dr. "L" .... is this the one about the Poodle and the German Shepard who walk into a bar in 3D?

Great topic as always.

Thanks, I hope it is as well?

Love and Light, to all, ~Lavazza

And to you and all as well. I close befuddled and perplexed,

L and L

~ Q ~