Is The Game Rigged?

[Quantum]

You left out the last part, "until the final phrase in which we note that the polarities begin to be explored only at the point when a third density entity becomes aware of the possibility of choice between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others."

In other words, individualized entities don't have polarity as they emerge in space/time.

I apologize if it seems we repeat ourselves, but I read Ra to state explicitly that Don is very much correct when he asks by making the statement that as the Logos subdivided, parts select each orientation ( i.e. polarity), and as such that individualized entities do indeed emerge in space/time with these orientations, to which Ra answers he is quite perceptive and correct?
Here once again is the full quote as provided originally in my posts above # 1, 3, and 8.

It would seem that as the Logos subdivided, parts would select each orientation. As individualized entities emerge in space/time then I would assume that they have polarity. Is this statement correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This statement is quite perceptive and correct until the final phrase in which we note that the polarities begin to be explored only at the point when a third density entity becomes aware of the possibility of choice between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others. This marks the end of what you may call the unself-conscious or innocent phase of conscious awareness

What I read is that either the Logos selected these orientations before the fact, or at least simultaneously as the entities in question immediately emerged in space/time. I further then read/interpret the full significance of 3D is self-awareness, at which point 3D marks the end of innocence or un-self consciousness, where in 3D the pre-existing bias or fixed polarity is then explored one against the other, i.e. the possibility of choice between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others. Does this not suggest that polarity was indeed present before 3D in unexplored and in unself-consciousness states (i,e, 1D/2D) given that it (polarity) is stated to have emerged immediately in space/time. Polarity could not be explored in unself-consciousness in spite of the fact that it was present immediately, as the result of the fact that nothing in consciousness can be explored w/out the capacity for self-awareness first, but is then indisputably designed to be explored in 3D. The immediate emergence of entities is certainly not restricted to 3D given that entities of consciousness are unquestionably present in 1D, and without doubt present in body and consciousness in 2D, thus with polarity in space/time in 1D or 2D which certainly also exist in space time. Choice/free will however is present, in that the entity may switch, or go deeper, or simply waffle by choice to remain stuck in the sinkhole of indifference. Perhaps polarity as a tool needs a kick-start in the game, if even only as a bias, if not in fact fixed, and as an investiture given by the Logos to know itself more?

Imagine that there were no bias for either orientation selected immediately as stated for a moment. Might the sinkhole of indifference be more likened to a black hole of indifference? Were there no bias or fixed state, would then the veil created to speed up the process not be slightly self-defeating to slow it down as well, thus in a sense neutralizing it?

I agree with Poffo about the other quote (79.27). Both the question and the answer, I believe, are referring to post-veil conditions. The saga of polarity, Ra says, was unimagined before the veil (77.19).

I also wrestled with this before posting the thread and was going to bring it up. Your comment therefore Poffo does potentially indeed bring a different spin to it. See below my response:

Questioner: Now, there are several general concepts that I would like to be sure that we have clear before going into this process and I will certainly adhere to the requests that you have just stated. When our Logos designed this particular evolution of experience It decided to use a system of which we spoke allowing for polarization through total free will. How is this different from the Logos that does not do this? I see the Logos creating the possibility of increase in vibration through the densities. How are the densities provided for and set by the Logos, if you can answer this?

Ra:Let us observe your second density. Many come more rapidly to third density than others not because of an innate efficiency of catalysis but because of unusual opportunities for investment. In just such a way those of fourth density may invest third, those of fifth density may invest fourth. When fifth density has been obtained the process takes upon itself a momentum based upon the characteristics of wisdom when applied to circumstance. The Logos Itself, then, in these instances provides investment opportunities, if you wish to use that term. May we enquire if there are any brief queries at this space/time?

And there it is again, this more than a few times now. Does this Ra quote above not seem to further suggest and support the previous quote that the Logoi in fact invested immediately STS into the emergence of entities in space/time. If so, then the veil point for the purposes of this discussion as regards whether polarity was nudged, biased, or fixed as pre-existing is moot with respect to our search. The veil in 3D is moot as regards polarity for this discussion, while paramount as regards the speeding up of the process of harvest. Polarity it seems is being established as pre-existent to the veil, such that the veil is not a marker for the timing of polarity. Polarity pre-exitsed the veil, though not yet as refined. What was refined was the veil, which increased the chance to speed up polarity, but which did not manifest polarity. See below:

78.13 Questioner: Then we have, at the beginning of this galactic evolution, an archetypical mind that is the product of the previous octave which this galaxy then used as and acts upon under the first distortion so as to allow for what we experience as polarity. Was there any concept of polarity carried through from the previous octave in the sense of service-to-others or service-to-self polarity?
Ra: I am Ra. There was polarity in the sense of the mover and the moved. There was no polarity in the sense of service-to-self and service-to-others.

So, we return again to polarity pre-existing the veil, though certainly not as refined as now. That it was pre-existent is clear with the early Logoi. May we now suggest that it was simply refined by the later Logoi creating STO/STS? This quote of the earlier Logoi weaved together with the previous quote of the later Logoi which potentially nonetheless invest themselves into the newer more refined ceation of STO/STS vis-a-vis polarity more refined may seem to suggest that the later Logoi partake in refinement of the veil as regards also potentially the investiture of STS (as well as STO) while still at the immediate emergence of entities into space/time, these presumably in 1D and almost certainly in 2D, and that only in 3D may the entity further along the evolutionary path of its growth process begin to explore what was otherwise already present and given to it as a, let us say, pre-existing bias, if not a fixed state, this as a result of free will allowing the said entity to make a switch in its bias vs fixed state if so desired.

Thank you all for continuing this thread. I invite more discussion and more challenge, while continuing to repeat, I am taking a position only for the express purposes of exploring what may be a consideration, versus a committed attitude needing to be defended. I almost feel as if I need to apologize for enjoying the forum, this for having been described in previous threads and posts as engaging in sport. Sport, joy, enthusiasm, passion, etc, would all seem to be synonyms for one and the same, to not only strengthen ones skills, but also ones understanding. If it sounds as if I'm apologizing, its only for the purpose of expressing my nature more clearly for any that may share the same sentiments as regards my describe attitude. I hope I may enjoy myself, as is my nature and desire, and equally invite all to participate in the fun as a sport as well. As the self confessed hedonist and play-baby I am, I've always excelled more in anything when I'm having fun.

...L/L

~ Q ~