04-14-2017, 03:17 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-14-2017, 03:30 PM by APeacefulWarrior.)
Quote:I think an example of this, you can't do whatever you want to do. You can't park in certain places, you can't cross a red light in the middle of the night with no one around, you can't grow certain things, if you do some certain things, you get locked away and treated like a subhuman.
It's easy to mention things like red lights or plant-growing, but what about the big ones? Rape? Murder? Torture? Locked-in-a-basement-in-chains sex slavery? The "true freedom" you allude to would necessarily allow those things as well, particularly on a veiled planet with a mixed STO\STS population. If you're going to say (even for the sake of argument) that we're all slaves because people can't do whatever they want to do, then you can't go halfway on it.
For that matter, what about the freedom to jump from a high building? Do you shake your fist at that cruel tyrant called Gravity?

Either way, though, as I see it that's beside the point. Fundamentally, laws with consequences behind them are not slavery. You're still free to run the red light. You just might have to pay a fine. You're still free to jump off the highest building you like. You just might turn into a red splat. You're still free to rape and murder. You just might end up locked up in a building with other rapists and murderers. (Which is even kind of fitting, in a way.) Nothing is truly restricting you from doing these things, aside from your fear of potential consequences.
Even if there were no rules whatsoever on Earth, there would still be consequences and social enforcement of them. In a society with no laws, would it not be reasonable that one who kills would in turn become a prime target to be killed by others? It really just seems common sense, for self-preservation if nothing else. As such, the same basic fear of consequences would still be in place inhibiting people's behaviors.
And of course, Lord Gravity the great and terrible would still overcome all who challenged his rule.
Slavery and consequences are not the same thing. There is no such thing as existence without consequences. Every action, be it big or small, positive or negative, will ALWAYS have consequences which create a larger impact on both yourself and others. That's true from the smallest viral form up to the Creator itself. Sometimes those consequences are subjectively seen as beneficial, and other times harmful. Such is life. There's no such thing as existence without consequences of some sort, be they good or bad. (And ultimately, all consequences simply become learning opportunities anyway.)
So, is it "slavery" to say "I will do X rather than Y because I see the consequences of X as being preferable"...?
That's why I say that slavery is a self-inflicted state. In regular day-to-day life, your own free will is still the only thing truly dictating what you do or don't do. If that free will is voluntarily self-restricted by awareness of potential consequences and a desire to craft the best overall outcomes, that's really just one aspect of growing wisdom. The existence of laws -or not- would not change this basic state of being.