10-10-2017, 01:19 PM
(10-09-2017, 03:54 PM)Lycen Wrote: A link for you all, should you have missed it, it's pictures with text.
This isn't proof, its just outlandish unscientific claims with sensationalist headlines. All easily debunked when a modicum of scientific critical analysis is applied. And all these "bubbles in space are proof this is under water" are just silly. People spill liquids on the space station. They aren't robots. And guess what form liquid droplets take in zero gravity? A bubble like shape. Flat Earthers see this and immediately jump to the conspiracy conclusion.
(10-09-2017, 03:54 PM)Lycen Wrote: I've believed what you believe, I know what you believe, it was part of my life for years. That is why I know how hard it is to see this perspective.
But truth is truth and if we are seekers of it, we'll follow it wherever it leads or we don't. You can't see what IS unless this belief you have in The Law of One is put aside.
LOO is a religion, you can't see a radically different perspective if everything which reaches you, you filter through the LOO.
In none of the 4 videos that I posted was the Law of One mentioned once. Just pure scientific observations anyone can make for themselves. Science is based on observation, which anyone can do. It is not dictated by authority. It is independently verified by a great many people. The entire point of the scientific method is to separate subjectivity from objectivity, so we can see what is "really there" as opposed to what we want to be there (Flat Earthers are looking for what they want to be true with all the cherry picking random bad evidence and discounting really strong good evidence -- the tactic of all psuedoscience).
(10-09-2017, 03:54 PM)Lycen Wrote: I know I'm testing your faith but if your beliefs are based on truth, they will not crumble under scrutiny. I challenge you to test them with this, don't use the LOO, set it aside and watch what is being shown with your own discernment.
Try to understand what is being shown, it will take time to sink in.
Again, none of the 4 videos I posted to you required faith at all. That is the beauty of science, it does NOT require faith to determine its reality. Flat Earth, on the other hand, is a religion (I would almost consider it a cult), that *DOES* require faith. Faith that NASA is faking the thousands and thousands upon thousand of images and videos they have released. Faith that every person (including MANY private citizens) who have paid to go up to space are lying to the public (since Flat Earthers don't believe space is real). Faith that when you watch the interviews with the astronauts talking in extreme detail about harrowing journey to the moon in exquisite detail, that they were just lying and making it up. Faith that this very very very poor application of observation of the world, by Flat Earth conspirators, is an accurate and correct application of science (it isn't). Faith that every scientifically literate person in the world is "in on the conspiracy".
I challenge you to discount with proof even one observation brought up in the videos I presented. The Flat Earth "proof" (and I use that term very loosely) is all snake oil and mirrors. Find me a picture of an object hidden half way on the horizon line (like a cruise ship) and show me it magically zooming back into view with a powerful camera (you can't). Show me a video, on a clear sky, of the sun or the moon shrinking from perspective as it goes behind the horizon (you can't, because that isn't how it works). Show me a picture of being able to see the northern constellations from the southern hemisphere (if stars are part of a dome shaped "firmanent", this should be easily done (since you can see the moon from everywhere in the world), but you can't because the Earth is a globe). And lastly, use flat earth to predict even a simple future astronomical event, like an eclipse (it can't, because it doesn't understand how they work). The heliocentric globe model, on the other hand, predicts all these things with ease, down to the second it occurs. The mark of a good scientific theory is its ability to predict future events. Flat Earth fails badly in this department.
These are massive holes in the theory right here. You drank a belief that was snake oil. It happens to all of us. Have the courage to honestly look at that. You are taking all these things on FAITH. Not on true observation. It is simply a misfounded conspiracy, and misdirected paranoia towards authority for an imagined reason.
(10-09-2017, 03:54 PM)Lycen Wrote: Be brave and seek truth always.
Be brave and apply true critical analysis to this, as this is what real truth seeking is.
I would like to thank you, for reminding me how important critical thinking is. I had been undervaluing science as of late, and you made me appreciate it, and the hard work true scientists go to, to learn amazing facts about our physical world. If the whole point of the grand Freemason conspiracy was to hide flat earth from the populace because it would separate us from our realization that the creator has its hand in everything, well, then it was a pointless and futile exercise, because I find the symphony and majesty of the spheres moving about the sun more indicative of a creator, than a flat earth could ever convey. I've also realized the cancer of conspiracy talk and theorizing, which Ra attempted to convey, because it festers in the mind to the point where the paranoia reaches truly epic levels, where you begin to believe that every person in the world is "in" the on the conspiracy. This is the definition of a mental virus. Thankyou for the reminder.