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    Thread: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive


    Aaron (Offline)

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    12-20-2010, 02:13 AM
    NegaNova Wrote:is it a service to self when one seeks the positive polarity in STO in order for personal growth, and the desire to be a better and stronger person? I mean, I want to make others happy and bring love into this world, and if someone asks for help I will want to help them, but part of me knows that I do this because I want to personally become better then I am, and more skilled then I am. And after reading the transcript, it made me wonder, that maybe I'm actually on the STS path and I don't even realize it.

    It's all about your final intentions. If you are only seeking a path in order for personal growth, then there is primarily service to self, with a smaller amount of service to others. But if you're seeking a spiritual path primarily for the betterment of all, with your own needs not forgotten, that is serving others first, with a smaller amount of service to self.

    An important thing to remember, I think, is something that has been said in similar discussions on this forum. *nudges Monica* Tongue "While here, we're ALL of mixed polarity." The goal isn't to become service to self or service to others. It's to make a choice, to clear the fuzz out and focus on one thing, magnifying, intensifying, and refining that one thing.

    So it's about balancing your service to self with your service to others. Even if you clear away the fuzz and focus on serving others, you're still, by necessity of third density life, going to be serving yourself some of the time. It's the same way with the other side as well. I think that's how the free will to be able to sway the choice to either side at any time during the incarnation is preserved.

    Thank you for sharing that Q'uote. I find myself in complete agreement with it. And I think this is a lesson I'm just leaning at this point. Coming from nearly the same position as you, I can say that I agree with Turtle's recommendation to stop seeking outside the self for a bit. It's analogous to pulling back a bit for a better perspective. I've tried this in the past couple of days and found it incredibly beneficial. Meditation helps as well. Find a moment of silence and ask yourself, "What am I really living for right now? What have I been living for lately?" I found that I have been living for my own selfish desires lately, and compared to the clarity I experienced in my life a few months ago, this feels like hell! But it's just slightly more distorted... Also, during meditation, try asking yourself "Am I willing to let go of all my selfishness right now in order to see this planet transformed with love?" That's a way to question to the very core of yourself what your intentions are. You might be surprised at the response you get.

    NegaNova Wrote:or maybe I need to realize that I am both the positive AND negative oriented entity.
    You are. Smile And right now, you're focusing on one tiny part of yourself that's magnifying and intensifying its free-will choice. The two paths of polarity are balanced like the yin yang. The STO lessons are harder in the beginning and easier in the end, and visa versa.

    yossarian Wrote:If I meditate because I love love, peace, and joy, is that positive or negative?

    It would seem that achieving joy and love for myself is self-serving.

    I don't know how to achieve joy and love for others.. I wouldn't know where to start. Sometimes people ask me for help in that department and I'm delighted to help.

    It's whatever you want it to be. (or like unity100 said, both). It's your intention that sets the focus that is beneficial to your soul. Are you meditating because you love peace and joy for yourself, or because you love to see others uplifted to a state of peace and joy?

    I wouldn't know how to achieve joy and love for others either. That's because the I can't. The I only cares about itself. If you're seeking the positive path, don't include your concerns in the affairs of light and love to others. Keep it simple. One thing that I always used to do, that I didn't see the value of until I'm able to look back on it now is, when coming in contact with people, visualize them enjoying the peace of mind that you reside in. Visualize them "being enlightened one day". Visualize them partaking in sharing the love and light that you're enabling them to discover within this lifetime. Visualize them being empowered, discovering their own spirit. You won't do this because you stand to gain anything from it. You'll do it because you love them as yourself. As long as they remain in a state of confused suffering, there is a part of you that is suffering.

    yossarian Wrote:I want to feel love for others not necessarily to serve them but because it feels good. Is this negative?

    Serving others is such a tarpit as well because how do you even know if you're serving them? Is it service to just be a slave and do whatever they tell you, recognizing the god within them but ignoring the god within yourself?
    Feeling love does feel good. That's because it's not an entity. It's a universal energy. It's not biased towards either side, accepting both. If you proceeded farther along that path, you would remove fuzz and focus on channeling that universal love into strengthening and empowering the self, with no regard for others. That's STS. I forget if it was Ra or Q'uo, but it was said that those on the path of STS feel the same sensations as those on the path of STO. It's the Creator that motivates both. This phrase from the Q'uote in the first post is relevant. "each step upon the negative path seems from within to be positive." (As is the whole thing, really. That session is pure gold.)

    It is service to just be a slave. But it's unawakened service. You can see it in our population. It's when no choice has been made yet. The key is to keep it balanced, not ignoring the god within either them, or you. But choose to emphasize which one you think will bring about the better outcome.

    yossarian Wrote:Since All is One, serving the self is serving the all. So often I've said to myself that I should serve myself sometimes and others at other times - both are God - but Ra says that this will negate my polarity and put me in the sinkhole of indifference.

    Serving yourself sometimes won't negate your positive polarity. As you point out in your next paragraph, it's a necessity of life on this planet right now because of the way our societal system is set up. If enough people focus on serving others, that system will morph into something positive. It's the intention that counts. You can always find a way to turn a mandated selfish action into one that brings about an eventual positive outcome. Do you have to work for money to survive? Transform your workplace with love. Do you have to drive a car that consumes gas? Always be available to come to your friends' aid.

    yossarian Wrote:You have incredibly selfish people who end up doing far more good for humanity than selfless. Bill Gates got his wealth by being very selfish
    How do you know his intention was selfish?

    yossarian Wrote:To me there is only one concept that makes sense - service to all. That means service to the Creator in all forms, including myself, including others. Doing both service to myself and serving others. I enjoy both forms of service. I don't have to subjugate others when I serve myself, but I do necessarily take away from time serving them.
    That's the only thing that all entities are ever doing. But it's the perspective that changes and emphasizes one thing over the other as we move through the densities. You are serving the all right now, because you are the all. But the point of this lifetime in this density is to limit your viewpoint to the extreme in order that one single form of service be emphasized. The current human viewpoint can't contain both, and that's on purpose. I think you're right when you say that you don't have to subjugate others when you serve yourself. And the reverse holds true as well. Also, you don't have to be perfect all the time. There doesn't always have to be a positive reason or intention behind a seemingly STS act. You're allowed to make mistakes! You're allowed to taste both flavors before dipping in.

    Experience You Wrote:Carla always professed her love for Christ, yet i don't resonate at all with his approach of dieing at the cross to show love.

    I don't resonate at all to all burning sacrifices in the name of God/good.

    If you sacrifice the self in the name of greater good you are basically saying that others should do the same, and how could this be ?
    I never did resonate with the presentation of Jesus or the concept behind his life. But after I had a couple of experiences in meditative states where, after coming upon a concept or experience that was of the purest vibration of love, I saw Jesus' face flash in front of my eyes, and felt the vibration, I realized that the commonly portrayed Jesus is not like the true living entity, the Christ consciousness, at all.

    What Jesus did wasn't wise, because the Christ consciousness that incarnates into Jesus is at the point of late 4th density, moving into 5th, where wisdom is learned. But the life that Jesus lived was the perfect message for the earth humans at that time. The Christ consciousness expressed its truest self through Jesus, providing a mirror for the collective consciousness of humanity at a crucial time. It was mutually beneficial, allowing the Christ consciousness a final note of pure love to be played in its symphony of 4th density, before moving onto the next chapter of their journey.

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    1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by NegaNova - 12-18-2010, 07:10 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Turtle - 12-18-2010, 07:40 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by yossarian - 12-18-2010, 07:44 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by unity100 - 12-18-2010, 10:24 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by yossarian - 12-18-2010, 10:45 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by unity100 - 12-18-2010, 11:17 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by yossarian - 12-19-2010, 12:09 AM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by unity100 - 12-19-2010, 07:53 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by NegaNova - 12-18-2010, 07:56 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by zenmaster - 12-18-2010, 09:11 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Experience You - 12-19-2010, 07:08 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Monica - 12-19-2010, 09:33 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Experience You - 12-19-2010, 09:48 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Monica - 12-20-2010, 02:39 AM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Aaron - 12-20-2010, 02:13 AM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by yossarian - 12-20-2010, 06:10 AM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Monica - 12-20-2010, 01:48 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Aaron - 12-21-2010, 03:23 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by yossarian - 12-20-2010, 02:15 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Monica - 12-20-2010, 04:24 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Brittany - 12-20-2010, 07:17 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Monica - 12-20-2010, 09:16 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by NegaNova - 12-20-2010, 08:14 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Brittany - 12-21-2010, 07:46 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by unity100 - 12-22-2010, 12:03 AM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Monica - 12-22-2010, 01:38 AM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by spero - 12-21-2010, 11:28 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Brittany - 12-22-2010, 08:38 AM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by zenmaster - 12-23-2010, 08:12 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Aaron - 12-25-2010, 01:13 AM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Zygra - 06-06-2011, 11:30 AM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Aaron - 06-06-2011, 09:08 PM
    RE: 1992.6.14 The path of negative and positive - by Nyu - 06-06-2011, 04:40 PM

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