04-24-2011, 01:34 PM
I am merely interested in the reactions to particular lines of questioning. I still believe the foundation of all things to be choice and that the symbolic occurence of events (considering every'thing' is just symbols) in whatever image they appear in do not necessarily represent the nature of the intention. Many of these concepts are so biased towards the words used to describe them, like "murder", "illusion", etc which of course are only fractional concepts with connotations attached to them which trigger individuals to react in a certain way.
Another way to put this is, considering the fact that ultimately the choice of the path (Not every STO/STS is the same) is what is important, then the expression of the path is in the actions. I'd say that that your identification with the STO path has actually become a source of service to self for you, look at the pride you have for your endeavours, and the defensiveness with which you defend your personal perspective. Not to insult but to observe. As you said, much of this is interpretation and balancing is not a matter of "having humans do the proper thing" but a matter of the individual understanding the position of their own perspective and unique balance. Anytime there is a generalization of "this is good for all humans" I have to put my foot down and say this is false, because not every lesson in life means health, happiness and comfort. I, personally, do not see this separation of life in to pain and pleasure, both have lessons, both are valuable. Just as both STO and STS paths must exist and must be walked, it is a natural necessity, both suffering and bliss must be experienced for full evolution. This is evidenced by the combining of the two paths at mid sixth, giving strong evidence that each higher self is indeed composed of both positive and negative paths of knowledge.
Above all I think it needs to remembered that this place is for LEARNING, there is no right or wrong, only learning, comparing, contemplating and experiencing. I agree that murder is "natural" afterall is not anything natural that exists? Is not anything created by the logos thus "natural"? If it exists, it must be a part of the universe and so have some place in it, the universe isn't known for doing things for nothing.
Of course, ultimately I will agree that it is desirable to seek to harmonize with the planet, in fact a friend and I have been involved with the movement for sustainable living and community agriculture. Rather, I noticed that you personally defend this position strongly and I would remind that too much attachment to any particular concept can result in distortions. It is entirely valid for you to have your choice and views on those choices, but your, likely unconscious, expressions often work to instill guilt in those with differing opinions by your 'shock'. I suppose I simply suggest to be conscientious of the voracity from which you defend your position, lest you slip in to self service.
Also, I will state that there are not "means" and "ends", all is continuous. One action leads to another action leads to another action leads to another action, the energy of which could polarize differently in each action and continue to change as the chain continues. Of course, action has been going on for billions of years, and we have all been acting since our day of birth, there is no meter for karma, it is adjusted like a shade in every single moment, always accounting. This is the mechanism by which we may change our karma, by breaking chains and starting new ones. So yes, the means do affect the polarity, however the active intention, the free will, is most prominent. Sometimes a hero has to do dirty things to get the job done, using LOTR again I would reference the need for Aragorn to use the army of Undead spirits to slaughter the armys of Morder. Is violence justifiable on either path? I'd say it is just a method and is entirely contextual. Yes, it is "optimal" for all to be harmonious, but even violence is harmonious if it is in harmony with a planet's consciousness. Of course, you would only expect to see this on a planet that is STS in nature, yet it's arguable that this is the state of our own planet. How often is violence seen as "normal" by our people.
I will say that there is really no such thing as inharmony. Something is either consonant or dissonant, but all is a harmony. My musical experience ascertains this fact for me. We may be dissonant with our planet, but this is still a particular type of harmony which is still valid. I would remind that the Confederation teachings are specifically STO and so are particular to that kind of polarization, and inharmony to them would be the contrast to this consonant state. I am not here to argue which way is more "right" or anything of the sort but I do wish to bring attention to the biases which are present since they are meaningful to the interpretation of the Law of One at this time I feel.
Another way to put this is, considering the fact that ultimately the choice of the path (Not every STO/STS is the same) is what is important, then the expression of the path is in the actions. I'd say that that your identification with the STO path has actually become a source of service to self for you, look at the pride you have for your endeavours, and the defensiveness with which you defend your personal perspective. Not to insult but to observe. As you said, much of this is interpretation and balancing is not a matter of "having humans do the proper thing" but a matter of the individual understanding the position of their own perspective and unique balance. Anytime there is a generalization of "this is good for all humans" I have to put my foot down and say this is false, because not every lesson in life means health, happiness and comfort. I, personally, do not see this separation of life in to pain and pleasure, both have lessons, both are valuable. Just as both STO and STS paths must exist and must be walked, it is a natural necessity, both suffering and bliss must be experienced for full evolution. This is evidenced by the combining of the two paths at mid sixth, giving strong evidence that each higher self is indeed composed of both positive and negative paths of knowledge.
Above all I think it needs to remembered that this place is for LEARNING, there is no right or wrong, only learning, comparing, contemplating and experiencing. I agree that murder is "natural" afterall is not anything natural that exists? Is not anything created by the logos thus "natural"? If it exists, it must be a part of the universe and so have some place in it, the universe isn't known for doing things for nothing.
Of course, ultimately I will agree that it is desirable to seek to harmonize with the planet, in fact a friend and I have been involved with the movement for sustainable living and community agriculture. Rather, I noticed that you personally defend this position strongly and I would remind that too much attachment to any particular concept can result in distortions. It is entirely valid for you to have your choice and views on those choices, but your, likely unconscious, expressions often work to instill guilt in those with differing opinions by your 'shock'. I suppose I simply suggest to be conscientious of the voracity from which you defend your position, lest you slip in to self service.
Also, I will state that there are not "means" and "ends", all is continuous. One action leads to another action leads to another action leads to another action, the energy of which could polarize differently in each action and continue to change as the chain continues. Of course, action has been going on for billions of years, and we have all been acting since our day of birth, there is no meter for karma, it is adjusted like a shade in every single moment, always accounting. This is the mechanism by which we may change our karma, by breaking chains and starting new ones. So yes, the means do affect the polarity, however the active intention, the free will, is most prominent. Sometimes a hero has to do dirty things to get the job done, using LOTR again I would reference the need for Aragorn to use the army of Undead spirits to slaughter the armys of Morder. Is violence justifiable on either path? I'd say it is just a method and is entirely contextual. Yes, it is "optimal" for all to be harmonious, but even violence is harmonious if it is in harmony with a planet's consciousness. Of course, you would only expect to see this on a planet that is STS in nature, yet it's arguable that this is the state of our own planet. How often is violence seen as "normal" by our people.
I will say that there is really no such thing as inharmony. Something is either consonant or dissonant, but all is a harmony. My musical experience ascertains this fact for me. We may be dissonant with our planet, but this is still a particular type of harmony which is still valid. I would remind that the Confederation teachings are specifically STO and so are particular to that kind of polarization, and inharmony to them would be the contrast to this consonant state. I am not here to argue which way is more "right" or anything of the sort but I do wish to bring attention to the biases which are present since they are meaningful to the interpretation of the Law of One at this time I feel.