In regards to eating meat

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I am merely interested in the reactions to particular lines of questioning. I still believe the foundation of all things to be choice and that the symbolic occurence of events (considering every'thing' is just symbols) in whatever image they appear in do not necessarily represent the nature of the intention. Many of these concepts are so biased towards the words used to describe them, like "murder", "illusion", etc which of course are only fractional concepts with connotations attached to them which trigger individuals to react in a certain way.

and then why arent you questioning the very concept 'choice', if you are questioning everything in the first place at all ?

does choice, exist at all ?

or, where have the mover/moved choices gone ? can you polarize now, as mover or the moved ? why your available polarization choices are positive and negative now ?

and why the next polarity will be something different in the next octave ?

if, the choice is so fundamental, why is the choice you put so much importance on, did not exist in the previous octave, and wont be there, in the next ...

I, personally, do not see this separation of life in to pain and pleasure, both have lessons, both are valuable. Just as both STO and STS paths must exist and must be walked, it is a natural necessity, both suffering and bliss must be experienced for full evolution. This is evidenced by the combining of the two paths at mid sixth, giving strong evidence that each higher self is indeed composed of both positive and negative paths of knowledge.

there is a contradiction - you defer so much importance on those two paths, as i mentioned above and evident in your posts, and you moreover state that they must be walked, but you also yourself tell that they eventually combine at mid sixth. however you fail to notice that, the combination of these two paths at mid sixth, means that apparently, they should not be walked further at all.

that is of course, forgetting the fact that, the both paths combine at the positive path, now fully complemented with the knowledge of wisdom.

Above all I think it needs to remembered that this place is for LEARNING, there is no right or wrong, only learning, comparing, contemplating and experiencing. I agree that murder is "natural" afterall is not anything natural that exists? Is not anything created by the logos thus "natural"? If it exists, it must be a part of the universe and so have some place in it, the universe isn't known for doing things for nothing.

surely. and just like that, 3d entities are not able to destroy entire solar systems with just their thought. or, a 2d entity is able to travel to a neighboring star system, by thought. even, a 6d entity in a 3d body, is unable to do that.

as you see, limitations are built into the system itself. there are those that the logos allows, there are those it does not.

simply, logos allows you to burn your hand by touching the stove. but, it doesnt allow anyone to enter the stove itself.

learn by mistake margin. murder is there, and doable. so that, you may do it and learn what it is, and not do it. you increasingly stabilize. and, by the time you become a member of a 6d society complex which could do many things including mistakenly destroy themselves by their thought, you have had become an entity which doesnt wander off to such thoughts.

Rather, I noticed that you personally defend this position strongly and I would remind that too much attachment to any particular concept can result in distortions.

that is correct for everything, including, but not limited to, non polarized approaches, or, the attempt to embrace all thought.

Also, I will state that there are not "means" and "ends", all is continuous. One action leads to another action leads to another action leads to another action, the energy of which could polarize differently in each action and continue to change as the chain continues. Of course, action has been going on for billions of years, and we have all been acting since our day of birth, there is no meter for karma, it is adjusted like a shade in every single moment, always accounting. This is the mechanism by which we may change our karma, by breaking chains and starting new ones. So yes, the means do affect the polarity, however the active intention, the free will, is most prominent. Sometimes a hero has to do dirty things to get the job done, using LOTR again I would reference the need for Aragorn to use the army of Undead spirits to slaughter the armys of Morder. Is violence justifiable on either path? I'd say it is just a method and is entirely contextual. Yes, it is "optimal" for all to be harmonious, but even violence is harmonious if it is in harmony with a planet's consciousness. Of course, you would only expect to see this on a planet that is STS in nature, yet it's arguable that this is the state of our own planet. How often is violence seen as "normal" by our people.

there is a contradiction in the above paragraph. first, it poses a grand perspective of 'all being continuous' and therefore there are 'no means or ends', then it limits its perspective to billions of years, and this octave, the concept 'billions of years' being a part of this octave even.

the 'there are no means or ends' can only be true at the point of infinity, at which anything/everything becomes invalid and irrelevant in the first place. (due to completing each other).

for anything below infinity, but especially the finites created by infinite intelligence, there are means and ends, because they are not infinite themselves the way infinity is, and therefore there is change for them. the reason for that is they being finite. and hence, creations that have time, physicality, sequence exists for them. even for the logoi, octaves of experience exist. they(us) go through octaves in neverending fashion.

so, there will be action-reaction, mean-end, before-after, forever, for us. these only lose their meaning at infinite intelligence or above.

I will say that there is really no such thing as inharmony. Something is either consonant or dissonant, but all is a harmony.

again this approach is only valid at infinite intelligence and above, where everything merges and harmonizes, however since everything, including the opposite of harmony also merges with its opposite (harmony), these also lose their meaning at the mystery that is infinity.

for anything under that, harmony and disharmony exist.