@Spectrum
That is what Ra explains. I can see this explanation fitting either option tho.
If Jesus had asked Judas expressly to betray him, Judas may have assumed that Jesus planned on some power move. It is made clear several times throughout the Bible and NCG (non-canonical gospels) that Jesus' teachings often made no sense to his disciples, and often Jesus would have to just tell them to obey and observe. This could have been one of those times where Judas thought the checkmate was finally to be played, and he was to be a part of it. Instead, he was broken and became a traitor; given only a sack of silver for his trouble.
Additionally, as a tangent to this idea, could Jesus have had a pre-incarnational contract with a powerful Orion entity to bring upon his death when the time had come? or are Orion members void of confederation contracts? If this is so, Jesus may have known that Judas had the greatest weaknesses, and that the Orion entity would almost certainly choose its easiest target for fear of failure. (I just read where you say Judas was probably most susceptible; good call!)
If it is this way, or the way you state it, then I would agree it was a 'foretelling' more than a directive; either way, there was considerable forethought put into the event, it would seem.
I can agree on this. I guess the question for me then shifts to, as mentioned earlier, was this all part of the 'mission' or was Jesus just that smooth on his feet?
@kycahi
Peter definitely denied Jesus 3 times before the rooster crowed... I don't remember Judas doing the same tho.
I think the matter being overlooked was Jesus' 'mission'. It may have very well included other entities; i'd assume John the Baptist as one, imo. In the Apocrypha of James, they ask Jesus who to look to for prophecy, as John the Baptist had just been put to death. Jesus responded by saying 'the head has been cut off' and saying no prophecy could be trusted, symbolizing that John seemed to hold a special place or position in Jesus' ministry.
My intuition is leaning towards Jesus recognizing Judas as the weakest link tho....
Quote:Judas wanted Jesus to use his ability to access intelligent infinity for STS purposes, and Jesus wasn't so inclined. What is important to keep in mind here, is that Judas, like most everybody else in those days, was deceived by thousands of years of Orion teachings (Yahweh), from the old testament.
That is what Ra explains. I can see this explanation fitting either option tho.
If Jesus had asked Judas expressly to betray him, Judas may have assumed that Jesus planned on some power move. It is made clear several times throughout the Bible and NCG (non-canonical gospels) that Jesus' teachings often made no sense to his disciples, and often Jesus would have to just tell them to obey and observe. This could have been one of those times where Judas thought the checkmate was finally to be played, and he was to be a part of it. Instead, he was broken and became a traitor; given only a sack of silver for his trouble.
Additionally, as a tangent to this idea, could Jesus have had a pre-incarnational contract with a powerful Orion entity to bring upon his death when the time had come? or are Orion members void of confederation contracts? If this is so, Jesus may have known that Judas had the greatest weaknesses, and that the Orion entity would almost certainly choose its easiest target for fear of failure. (I just read where you say Judas was probably most susceptible; good call!)
If it is this way, or the way you state it, then I would agree it was a 'foretelling' more than a directive; either way, there was considerable forethought put into the event, it would seem.
Quote:I see Judas as an Orion victim, and the fact that he was so close to Jesus, means he would surely have enjoyed '5th' density STS attention, as opposed to 4D STS, due to all the light Jesus generated, and the threat Jesus was to the Orion agenda.
I can agree on this. I guess the question for me then shifts to, as mentioned earlier, was this all part of the 'mission' or was Jesus just that smooth on his feet?
@kycahi
Quote:Thanks for the conversation. I enjoy it a lot. One teeny correction, though: back in post 34, Spectrum mentions Judas' denying JC three times. I thought that was another of the group, perhaps Peter. I think he denied Jesus three times out of simple fear--"Moi? I know nothing! I can't help you there."
Peter definitely denied Jesus 3 times before the rooster crowed... I don't remember Judas doing the same tho.
I think the matter being overlooked was Jesus' 'mission'. It may have very well included other entities; i'd assume John the Baptist as one, imo. In the Apocrypha of James, they ask Jesus who to look to for prophecy, as John the Baptist had just been put to death. Jesus responded by saying 'the head has been cut off' and saying no prophecy could be trusted, symbolizing that John seemed to hold a special place or position in Jesus' ministry.
My intuition is leaning towards Jesus recognizing Judas as the weakest link tho....