(04-27-2011, 06:06 PM)Azrael Wrote: Does service have to be a conscious decision? If animals are in 2D learning to be self-aware, and in 3D we learn to that we have choice. As I think it was mentioned by Ra animals have a sort of "hive" mind, right?
I think the hive mind can indeed choose to be of service, and this is what plants do. Plant devas are often delighted to interact with humans and encourage them to plant gardens, use the plants for healing, etc.
Some excellent books on this topic are:
The Psychic Garden by Mellie Uyldert
The Findhorn Garden by The Findhorn Community
Plant Spirit Healing: A Guide to Working with Plant Consciousness by Pam Montgomery
Ask Mother Nature: A Conscious Gardener's Guide by Ellen Vande Visse
Perelandra Garden Workbook: A Complete Guide to Gardening with Nature Intelligences by Machaelle Small Wright
But, in my understanding of what Ra has told us (which agrees with and expands what the Edgar Cayce readings say, by the way), when a spark of that hive mind becomes self-aware, then that is when it becomes an individuated entity.
The first step for an entity is to develop that budding self-awareness. Just observe your dog or cat. They are becoming more and more self-aware, and you can assist them in that process by treating them like members of the family, instead of just things to be owned and tossed in the back yard.
During this precious time of self-discovery, the animal is fixated on self. This is as it should be! It is a phase for them, and is healthy.
While focused on developing awareness of self, these 2D entities aren't likely to be conscious of others enough yet to have the capacity to choose to be of service. They have plenty of time to learn that in 3D - in fact that is what 3D is for!
Each density has different lessons to offer.
It is possible that some animals might reach a high enough state of consciousness to be able to grasp service to others. Examples are the many stories of dogs saving their humans from danger. Even then, it's questionable whether they are doing it out of service, or out of pack instinct.
In the wild, a wolf will protect his pack. Is that service? Probably not.
Thus, I find it unlikely that an individual cow would choose to be of service by allowing itself to be cruelly abused and brutally slaughtered, especially since factory farmed animals aren't appreciated in the least by most people who eat them. They are just turned into packages bought at the grocery store with nary a thought given.
(04-27-2011, 06:06 PM)Azrael Wrote: So the graduation from 2D to 3D must be discovery of the "self".
Yes
(04-27-2011, 06:06 PM)Azrael Wrote: (Noted that cetaceans are also ensouled (which to me means has discovered the self), which to me means that any animal in the right conditions is capable of becoming 3D.
I agree, but not for the reason you cite. Any animal, and even some plants (particularly ancient trees), and even some locations, can develop self-awareness, if that awareness is drawn out (usually over time, which automatically precludes most garden vegetables). But cetaceans are in a different category altogether; they are 3D entities who chose that form rather than the human form, to do their 3D work.
I think it's much more likely that a locale, such as a backyard garden lovingly tended, could develop self-awareness, than the individual carrots grown in it.
(04-27-2011, 06:06 PM)Azrael Wrote: In fact, I have often seen anomalies where an animal or plant will have progressed to a higher cognitive dimension but uses a 3D form.
I suppose anything is possible. I'm not sure how that fits in with what Ra has taught us. Wanderers are from higher densities but in 3D forms, but subject to the veil. So, the end result is that they are essentially 3D entities, while on Earth.
(04-27-2011, 06:06 PM)Azrael Wrote: With that in mind, are not animals a potentiation of ourselves? We must not only consider them as they are now, but what they may evolve to be, what they WILL evolve to be,
Exactly!!! Which begs the question: What kind of human will that cow be? That cow that was killed so cruelly, in a state of terror and loneliness? Will that be setting the stage for a violent 3D experience, such as we've had on Earth all this time?
(04-27-2011, 06:06 PM)Azrael Wrote: and also remember that we come from the same origins. So, with that in mind, of course animals must be other-selves, whether or not they themselves are aware of themselves as selves.
Agreed. Though I would say, that the very definition of being a 'self' (ie. an entity) is self-awareness.
(04-27-2011, 06:31 PM)hogey11 Wrote: a 2D/3D Ox could be goaded by its owner to work harder until it is nearing physical exhaustion, based on the bond of self-awareness between the animal and human. I am not saying this is a massive effect, but I would guess that animals that are bonded to a person would push harder/faster/stronger if they were directed compared to wild, purely 2D animals...
Good point. Just as my dog allows the veterinarian to give him a shot, when I hold him and comfort him, even though his natural inclination is to bolt or bite, to escape the momentary sting of the needle. He trusts me so he is still.
Self-awareness and bonding with 3D's is a process for them.
(04-27-2011, 06:31 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Where I'm from, the native (first nations) culture is somewhat celebrated. There is much taught about the rituals the native american people would go through when they took an animal's life for food. There is immense respect shown, and the animal's spirit is asked to give its life before it is killed by the hunter. Every part of the animal is used, and is considered sacred.
I am familiar with this and find it very beautiful, the way they did it. Beautiful in the sense that they did it so consciously. Being that they had no choice but to rely on animals for food, they did it in the most respectful, reverent, and appreciative way possible.
(04-27-2011, 06:31 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Would the above situation be considered with the same frame of reference as what else has been discussed?
Their situation was entirely different. They needed the animals for food and clothing.
In our society, we don't.