05-01-2011, 10:18 AM
(04-30-2011, 12:34 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: But certainly another STS entity would know this, right? Why would they trust each other? Why would an STS group channel an STS entity when we can't know if they're telling the truth or not? It would seem to make STS channeling pointless to the eyes of the channeler, yet it still happens. And I know that STSers aren't naive nor stupid, and still there is trust.
the other sts entity wouldnt know that. that all depends on how higher in the spectrum theentities are. the higher in advancement ladder the sts entity is, the better hiding its thoughts, manipulation, control skills are.
Quote:On top of that, Ra says that they don't lie to STS channels. They provide no exceptions to this statement. It seems to me that these things combined suggests that STS entities CAN be trusted by STS channelers.
there is no rule that is introduced that says sts entities tell truth among each other either. so, your conclusion doesnt come to fruition. foremost, there are no exceptions provided to the 'serving to self by any means' either. that also includes lying to anyone.
Quote:What do you have to say about the Ra quote, saying STS channeled beings do not find it necessary to lie to STS channelers? Ra pointed out that lies and manipulation were presented to STO channelers, and specifically stated differently about STS channelers.
what needs to be said about it ?
it says they dont find it NECESSARY to lie. it doesnt say, they DONT lie.
Quote:So you are saying that the STSers learn from their teachers' lies? I can definitely see that, but what about Ra saying that straight STS philosophy is dispensed? It would not be considered STS philosophy itself if it were a lie...possibly STS lessons, but STS philosophy would be straightforward.
if you start out by interpreting 'they dont' from 'they dont FIND it NECESSARY', then all kinds of confusions as such like the above, can arise.
Quote:The elusive part to me is that, according to Ra, there is honest communication among STS entities. Isn't that attributing a modicum of honesty to STS? There has to be some sort of trust for a channeler to effectively receive STS philosophy, or even further, technical information.
again, there is no such thing as 'honest communication' among sts entities. the very fact that you are attributing honesty to a path that is in itself a lie, means you really dont understand that path.
moreover, on top of concluding honesty in the form of 'they dont lie' from 'not finding necessary to lie', you are also concluding with lacking information, forgetting other information from Ra material :
the first requirement to be honest starts at early 6th density. advancing in 6th density requires a measure of honesty. sts entities start feeling the need to employ a measure of truth.
that means, before that, there are NO obligations for not lying.
if lie hasnt been a feature of sts path, the honesty requirement in 6th density start wouldnt be a problem for them.
but it is being a problem. that means, there is lie in sts path.