In regards to eating meat

[Bring4th_Austin]

I really appreciate that, and I commend you as well for being so steadfast in your part of the process of change. It's all important.

Thank you! And the same to you! We are on the same team!

You ask some very good questions, and I do have some opinions I'd like to share. The short answer is, there are ways to not have to kill the bugs, and it entails working with the plant devas. I can't claim success with this, but it is what I aspire to. I just posted some book titles about this very subject, but I forgot which thread it's in. There are a number of books dealing with this.

I don't have time right now though, and won't be back until Sunday. I look forward to delving into this topic then!

I look forward to it. Just so you have some background on what I try to do to control/reduce waste, all of the beetles/grubs/young weeds I can collect to give to my chickens I do, which I'd say accounts for about 1/8th in total (I think that's an awesome number). I release natural bug predators, mainly praying mantis lady bugs. I ask faeries and sprites for help which seems to work sometimes (I swear I've seen them in my garden!!). I will also meditate with the intention of asking all the buggers to leave my garden be, or offer them a particular plant or row of plants. It's hit and miss, and with expanding production these techniques seem to work less.

Another angle to look from. Ra mentions that trees are in a perpetual state akin to meditation. In other words they are not in a waking state. Smaller plants are much in the same state, not having much self awareness. Short lifespans, some only a single year.

How do you operate on a person without allowing them to suffer? You put them in a drug induced state away from wakefulness. Away from self awareness.

These are two completely different states of being/existence, which have a huge bearing on the amount/intensity of suffering.

For me, it is much less about suffering. I am confident my animals do not suffer even while leaving this physical reality, unless I'm using a processing facility I don't like. There's an amazingly progressive processing facility/alternative energy campus being built near here which I have a lot of stake in, which will take every excruciating step possible to reduce fear in the facility (along with using complete alternative energy and having ZERO waste....awesome!).

You could kill someone while they're asleep and they could suffer none, I would not see this as (much) better than killing someone who suffers.