Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[zenmaster]

All of the subdensities are available and active once a density has been activated. A subdensity is just a position of 'light' within a density.

17.34 Questioner: Then if an entity is harvested into the fourth density with a grade of fifty-one percent for others and forty-nine percent for self, what level of the fourth density would he go into? I am assuming that there are different levels of the fourth density.

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Each enters that sub-density which vibrates in accordance with the entity’s understanding.

vibrations are available. experiences are not.

for you to experience a 3d or 4d sub-octave experience proper for you, a sphere that provides that vibration needs to exist, complete with its participants. meaning, other entities.

for example, when the 3rd density on this planet becomes vacant after a period of time, there will still be all vibrations of all sub octaves, but you wont be able to experience anything here, if you attempt to incarnate here - there are no other 3d entities.

and, when a new cycle is started here, you wont be able to experience last octave of 3rd density, if the entities who started this cycle are of lower sub-densities.

they will still be living in early 3d vibrations, therefore they wont be able to provide interactions and experiences of the kind you require in your higher sub-density.

basically imagine yourself at the start of this planet's cycle, in primitive conditions - you will only be exposed to at most 50-100 people (if your tribe is that big), everything in your life will be extremely simple, and everything regarding interaction of entities will be basic ranging from social relationships to communications to anything.

so, you would be (maybe) vibrating in the last octave of the yellow, supplied by the vibration of the planet, but, you wouldnt be able to do anything with it, because there wouldnt be any meaningful recipient of your interactions.

I agree, there would be no meaningful experience of valuing in isolation.

I would emphasize 'incarnate' in a different manner. They were all together, right there, at the same time, as a group, while incarnate.

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This is the exact same principle for entering into the subdensities of 3rd density. But the subdensities have *nothing to do* with harvest, which is related to crossing density boundaries. As far as I know, and as I've said before, the vibrational understanding or subdensities have been identified by the 'core valuing systems' related in the system of Spiral Dynamics:
1 'Beige'
2 'Purple'
3 'Red'
4 'Blue'
5 'Orange'
6 'Green'
7 'Yellow' - last subdensity

'adept' values:
8 'Turquoise'
9 'Coral'

there wasnt any 'emphasizing' of any different meaning for incarnate in that q/a. if there was such a hidden meaning, it would be cleanly stated.

and, what i said and what you respond in latter part of your reply are not relevant :

i am saying that, if harvest was something that happened AFTER death, there would be no need to send any light being to any entity, because entities would readily meet their higher selves, and the information that needed to be given would be given to them much effectively.

That necessarily presupposes that the higher self is self-sufficient in complete and utter isolation, without the benefit of information from other selves.

actually, there wouldnt even be a need for such information giving, and they would just be harvested as they die, approaching harvesters and getting measured.

The logos determines 'measurement'. That's automatic. The harvesters ensure that confusion does not prevent accurate measurement.

in that respect, your approach of 'harvest is something happens after death' does not hold.

Still makes sense, as far as I can tell.

there is no need to send any light beings to any entities who already penetrated ether after death - they are already in contact with the closest and most native information source they can contact at that point ; their higher selves.

Before death, one is in contact with their higher self. Not sure what your point is. If the higher self 'knew everything', there would be no point in other selves. While incarnate, people tend to work together as a group, they don't tend to die as a group. The light being contacted the group to provide information relevant to the next incarnation. The 'higher self' doesn't magically get this info from virtue of being the 'higher self'.