(05-15-2011, 02:16 AM)zenmaster Wrote: That necessarily presupposes that the higher self is self-sufficient in complete and utter isolation, without the benefit of information from other selves.
higher self is a phenomenon that is mid-6th density, which privy to parallel existences and choices of the entity in the past (from what we can make out from the material) and it is indeed self-sufficient in tending the 3d entity on its own, since it is the higher self of the 3d entity.
and, for 6d, there is no 'complete and utter isolation'. each 6d entity is a member of a society complex.
what you are trying to has no basis, as you are probably already aware. you are saying that higher self, which is part of a society complex in 6d already, can tend and program an entire 3d experience of its former self, but, 'sending a light being that carries a shield of light' to entities to be harvested, (en masse too - not one to each) is necessary to convey a simple choice like 'do you want to get harvested, see, there's this, theres that, and that, or you want to stay ?', in DISINCARNATE state.
it is exceedingly illogical to propose that.
Quote:The logos determines 'measurement'. That's automatic. The harvesters ensure that confusion does not prevent accurate measurement.
no. logos doesnt determine measurement. ra says that harvesters from next octave emit precise and pure disseminations light, in order to assess the progress of each entity in fullest. you should check that part again.
Quote:Still makes sense, as far as I can tell.
doesnt. not only leaving aside there is no pointers to any 'after death harvest' proposition anywhere in Ra material, but also there is the evidence to the contrary, like what i have mentioned above.
Quote: Before death, one is in contact with their higher self. Not sure what your point is.
before death, people are not in contact with their higher selves in 3d. i dont know from where do you even conclude this. had they been in contact, there would be no need to build pyramids and whatever to initiate entities to get in contact with their inner resources like higher self (which is a phenomenon in 6th density btw - the very chakra energy the pyramids target) nor any effort for spiritual practice to raise awareness of that self.
nor there would be any need to meet with higher self after incarnation, to revise the life and decide on a plan.
Quote: If the higher self 'knew everything', there would be no point in other selves.
yes, the higher self, knows everything in regard to past up to the point the 6d entity is at, and even further. this includes the entire development of the entity from 3, to 6th, since that entity, is THAT entity itself, all the roads passed all the choices made. moreover, the higher self also is privy to all past, since it is at a point which is not subject to time, as the situation with tape recorder incident in Ra material showed. the higher self is also aware of all other potential choices and their consequences, of not only its own past self, but also other things, like how Ra reviewed potential happenings of harvest, pole shift, etc whatever, and told the most likely ones, for THIS planet. most likely means, there are other ones, like what edgar cayce told about, which were also mentioned.
you also forgot what the higher self phenomenon is, it seems - higher self is a phenomenon which occurs when the future 7d totality of the entity (the higher self, the 3d entity), leaves ALL potentials and possibilities that can happen, all the entity can be, all that is learned and discovered (which also includes parallel existences of the entity in parallel universes, as Ra mentions in a passing note in balance of 7d entities q/as), as a resource to the 6d entity.
this is the higher self phenomenon.
yes, it knows everything that is possible in regard to the 3d entity and its choices, including whatever 4d planet it may/should/had lived on after its harvest. not to mention, when and how the entity got harvested.
Quote:The light being contacted the group to provide information relevant to the next incarnation.
there is no closer phenomenon than a higher self, to the 3d entity. to a disincarnate entity reviewing its incarnation, no external messenger is required for ANYthing. since :
Quote:The 'higher self' doesn't magically get this info from virtue of being the 'higher self'.
yes it actually magically does receive ALL possibilities as a phenomenon, actually, as a very sum of identity that not only the 3d entity itself, but also the entire development path of their own existence until end of 7d, from their late 7d manifestation, as a last act before the entity returns to the wholeness of existence.
(05-15-2011, 03:03 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: I think we all agree this happens in t/s- phenomena like 'steps of light' cannot happen in 3rd density space/time. The question becomes, what time/space environment is available to 3rd density entities?
there is no steps of light or anything necessary for 4d harvest. 4d harvest, is about enjoying a certain amount of light. this is 51% for positive. and, moreover, we are told that opening the gateway to intelligent infinity during incarnation, is ticket to next octave of experience.
this means, opening this gateway can happen both in incarnate form, and in disincarnate form. which, will probably happen with the exact disseminations of light the harvesters will emit.
and, the entities of confederation will stand guard near, so that the entity will not get distracted and confused by anything, but the light's strength.
that is pretty much a description of opening of gateway to infinite intelligence, which some people work and manage during their incarnation.
Quote:Thoughts i would put forward to this would be that, things like the steps of light, angels, confederation entities, etc represent experiences and things that can interfere with the free will of 3d entities, or 'unconfuse' them, in a manner of speaking, breaking the law of confusion, since 3d may not necessarily be aware of such things. I think this is especially true if "all are harvested" like at the end of the last cycle- were you expected some entities not to make it.
come harvest, all these things become moot. there is 4d harvest, there will be a 4d sphere, there will be 4d phenomenon, and any entity, even temporarily vibrating in 4d vibrations will penetrate ether and see things.
that is probably one of the reasons why the 4d entities need time without 3d to learn to hide themselves from 3d entities.
Quote:One last, slightly humorous point is, consider little jack, who turns .. whatever, 6 months on 28 october 2011, with two full 3d parents, now little jack is dual activated so he's okay, but what happens if this were a sudden space/time thing..? Boom.. his parents just 'go away'?
little jack, has incarnated with full knowledge of whatever is going to happen. maybe, probably because if that very happenstance.
(05-15-2011, 03:28 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I have never seen the universe work in a way that didn't make sense. The whole 'kill them off' through radiant power of 4D thing, and so forth. It's a laugh.
harvesters will provide disseminations of frequencies in amounts that will allow opening of the gateway to intelligent infinity. so, the 'radiant power of 4d' seems rather a low level definition for that.
and, what did you think '4d entities need time without 3d to learn to hide themselves from 3d' meant ?
it sounds to me like when harvest happens, in normal harvests, 3d is depopulated, so that 4d entities can learn hiding themselves until new cycles start.
really, as we speak, it more sounds like you are uncomfortable with the idea of death, more than anything else.
and, sense ? didnt Ra mention that, the choice of whatever body to use for whatever purpose, is a moment's choice by the local logos ? and, werent martian entities brought in cloned, but non-reproduceable bodies, from mars ? should i go on ?