(05-16-2011, 07:53 AM)spero Wrote: I apologise....my bad.
The below quo session is pure gold for answering some of the other questions you raise
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0927.aspx
e.g.
- 4d sphere wont be able to be inhabited as long as 3d entities are alive in these numbers reaching to 7 billion.
Firstly, fourth density is indeed interpenetrating so heavily with third density at this time that it is quite possible for a fourth-density entity to live on your planet. However, it is not a choice that fourth-density entities would make. Rather, if they wish to inhabit this planet at this time, they inhabit it in the inner realms. And indeed, you have many within your inner realms at this time that are fourth density.
I might also add that with an average lifespan in 4D being 90,000 years....i don't think a prolonged harvest is much of a concern to them....besides, they'll pass the time being dual-activated wanderers on their home turf.
these only answer as to what is happening at this current time. it is only normal that this happens, because there is currently no 4d sphere that is inhabitable at the present. however, apparently soon, (if we look at Ra, at 2011), the green vibration is going to settle in full frequency, and the 4d sphere will be inhabitable.
and the problems arise from this :
if 4d sphere, is a differentiation on earlier spheres, like 3d is a different sphere from 2d, then it will mean that 3d will be able to physically contact and interact with 4d. this is not something that can be risked with the current state of the 3d society on this planet.
if, 4d sphere, is dimensionally different - ie, ghostlike to 3d sphere, this would fix numerous things, BUT, this time, there is the problem of visibility - if, 4d is visible to 3d, 3d WILL try to do things to 4d. and they will quite succeed, given the unfortunate level of technology that has been given to this planet. (least probably being devices derived from tesla's inventions).
the hidden cities built by south american group (in whatever fashion), or various inhabitable (and in past, apparently inhabited) locations inside earth's crust may help, however, with the technology 3d negative society divisions (governments et al) possess, i dont think these would be also immune from interference either.
Quote:e.g
- don asks specifically whether harvest is going to happen instantly or distribute over a time span, and the answer is that it will take place in 2011.
Quote:..in terms of the planetary situation, there is no variance possible in the turning of the age. It is a mathematical, geometrical design that works like a clock. When the age is done, another age moves in and this is what is occurring with Planet Earth at this time. This will indeed occur, as you say, in 2011, 2012, in that vicinity....Be that as it may, this is only one layer of our answer. What impacts the questioner, and all of those upon Planet Earth, far more is the harvest that is occurring concomitantly with this turning of the age. The harvest has already begun. It began in your year 1987 in that period called “Harmonic Convergence.” [4] Entities began being harvested when they died from the physical at that time. All were offered the steps of light. Many of those you now call “Indigo Children” are those who have graduated from Planet Earth in the positive sense, have now gone on to acquaint themselves with their new fourth-density homes and have asked for permission to return to third density as wanderers.
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in terms of the harvesting being prolonged past 2012, this was always a possibility if a pole shift did not have to occur, and it is now a near certainty, since the lightening of the planet has continued to take place, mostly unnoticeably and beneath the radar of politics and the larger consciousness of the society as a whole.
The turning of the age and the harvest are related but seperate events. The harvest has been occuring since 1987 and can be prolonged past 2012. The confusion arises from the fact that if our societal complex were any more disharmonious then yes the turning of the age would have coincided with compulsory and immediate harvest of 3D life but only because the earth changes would have forced us out of incarnation.
these contradict 'harvest will happen near 2011' statement Ra makes, unfortunately. don explicitly asked whether it would be distributed over time, or happen at a certain date. the answer was the one about 2011.
it is also possible that Ra would mean that a pole shift/depopulation would probably happen at date 2011, and therefore a mass harvest would happen at that date, including the disincarnate entities.
but still, if harvest was something that started with a certain astronomical event like harmonic convergence, and lasted for a whopping 24 years, this would be mentioned when asked. and, it was asked.
there is a nuance however, in between the language of what is told :
'steps of light being offered', ie 'harvest being a possibility' and harvest happening, sound like two different things. the situation described in quotes you gave from quo more resembles the situation at the end of 2nd cycle, in which entities were offered and given a choice regarding harvest. steps of light, are being OFFERED to entities.
however Ra says, at the end of last cycle, EVERYONE is harvested REGARDLESS of their progress.
so then these all paint a picture :
harvest may be something that is related to the amount of energy/frequency available at a given planet. that energy can be used to get harvested, and using that energy, entities can contact infinite intelligence and get harvested. when and how these energies become available on a planet depends on the situations.
but, at the end of each cycle, these energies DO become available on a planet due to a mechanism that is designed like a clock - it never fails, and is available at the predetermined time. at this time, everyone is harvested regardless of their progress.
it is also curious how quo doesnt respond to the core of the query asked, but instead proceeds on to explain about the situation of indigo kids, 4d wanderers etc in 3d realm. the query that is 'whether the 4d environment of a 4d entity gets affected when 3d humans cut down a 2d forest' remains unanswered.
Quote:G: Your responses have been excellent, Q’uo. The final query is from M, and he asks, “Q’uo said recently that fourth-density beings can inhabit a planet with third-density entities and choose to remain unseen. I’d like to know how third-density entities share the first and second density of a planet with the higher-density entities. I imagine that the fourth density entities don’t need first-density structures for shelter, but what about environmental changes made by third-density entities? How are fourth-density beings affected by this? For example, if third-density entities cut down a second-density forest, is the environment of the higher densities diminished by that act?”
We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query. The query itself contains some inaccuracies yet it is a delightful query and we shall do what we can to work our way through it.
Firstly, fourth density is indeed interpenetrating so heavily with third density at this time that it is quite possible for a fourth-density entity to live on your planet. However, it is not a choice that fourth-density entities would make. Rather, if they wish to inhabit this planet at this time, they inhabit it in the inner realms. And indeed, you have many within your inner realms at this time that are fourth density.
However, the vast majority of those who have graduated from third-density Planet Earth have chosen to move into incarnation in dual-activated third density/fourth density bodies. They are wired for both densities but are governed in third density by the third-density portion of their wiring so that they are physically third-density entities.
The enhanced wiring, however, often shows through in everyday life as such entities grow up and become part of society, in that there is a certain amount of hectic energy that is different and stronger than a simple third-density wiring would permit. This creates the situation where many of your fourth-density dual-activated beings are diagnosed with some version of Attention Deficit Disorder. This comes from the increased amount of information available to those with fourth-density wiring. It is almost too much information for the third-density being to hold, and yet even with this handicap, the desire of the indigo wanderer is to come and give everything that they have to the beau geste of serving the one Creator by loving and embracing Planet Earth and its people at this time.
May we ask if there is a follow-up to that query, my brother? We are those of Q’uo.
actually, it seems to me that the planet should have been depopulated as such at this nexus, since it is apparently a mechanism infinite intelligence designed for these cases :
there is little difference in between the planet heating up due to discrepancy in between its population's overall vibrations and direction spiritually, and their actions and manifestations consciously, and the law of responsibility shortening individuals' lives planet-wide due to same kind of hypocrisy :
entities are positive or negative, but do not act according to their inclination, positives act negatively (due to money trade, current society etc), and negatives act positively (due to need to keep up appearances, societal customs etc) and this shortens lifespans,
and excess heat is generated due to discrepancy in between the vibrations of the planet and the direction they are walking towards, reflecting in quakes this that, and a polar shift.
and now here we have 60 million + wanderers, lightening up the vibrations of the planet (and heaven knows how many outside interventions apart from wanderers), so that this mechanism wont kick in and depopulate the planet. and so far, it is working. but;
the reasons that created this situation are STILL in place. they are not amended. there is also a good measure of teaching of 4d principles being done (or positive principles), and there seems to be an acceptable amount of entities accepting and learning them (even tho they are in negligible minority), yet even those entities just keep acting along with the established negative system, sometimes even embracing it wholeheartedly, after they stand up from their daily meditation. we see an extensive commercialization of spiritual teachings and movements, and the system fitting them in to places appropriate for itself, in its own mechanism.
i see some contingencies planned for this, like internet, the alternative ways and methods of doing things being created, propagated over it, however everything still runs on the negatively oriented and controlled general system of the planet, and even the very amenity, internet itself, is already being used for more control over people, through surveillance, and now, recently, through filtering and control mechanisms proposed or built.
if we look at quo channelings, this society is going to enter full 4d vibrations with cached, transferred, finite 3d energy with ~7 billion population, in just 1 years' time, give or take some, with all the destructive technologies and control mechanisms that should NOT be available to a 3d society. (some of which seem to be out of reach of early 4d negative societies even).
so, we see confederation of this locale again intervene and bypass a process which infinite intelligence created for certain situations. it is as if this confederation has a wow to prevent the law of responsibility acting out in all cases - ranging from the attempts to heal entities to make them live longer lives with pyramids and whatnot in recent past to bypass the veil by initiations using the same mechanisms, maldek, mars, atlantis and so on.
this confederation seems to be an enemy of law of responsibility.
now come to think of it this 'prevent law of responsibility' thing seems a recurring theme in this confederation's proceedings, even when i remember what was said about the maldek entities destroying their planet - these entities were 'honestly' believing that they were doing this for positive purposes. yet, they destroyed an entire planet.