In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

Please tell me, what weeds are edible!? (And I’ll pray they grow here!) I’ve found myself thinking very often to myself, “why can’t lettuce and cabbage and kale grow as prolifically as these weeds…hunger would be eliminated!” I wouldn’t have too much trouble experimenting with edible weeds, but it is the invasive ones that will affect my production and I must control fastidiously, as well as the bugs.

Aha! Found the posts:

The Corkboard > LIVING foods and Gardening...Cooperating with Devas

Be sure to click on the link for the list of books also!

I have also heard that this is the key, allowing them a certain part or number of the crops. I have my own communication methods of doing this, with mixed results (some weeks it seems to work and some weeks my leafy greens have more holes than swiss cheese). We’re still expanding the garden, so hopefully soon we’ll have enough to offer the buggers. Unfortunately, at this point, we have to keep up enough production for two farmers’ markets AND feed ourselves, so we harvest everything we can every week.

I can't speak from experience yet, but I am very encouraged by what I've read so far, from those who are ahead of us in this endeavor.

Be sure to see pages 387-400 of John Kallas' book (listed in the link above) for inspiration about creating a market for wild edibles and how to maintain a semi-wild garden. I just love the idea!

There are some vendors that sell dandelion greens at the markets here, I never thought twice about it! Thanks for this information, I’ll have to learn how to take advantage of this. Consumers are moving very rapidly in the direction of sustainable “green” food, produce and meat. I can only imagine things like this will only become more popular.

Yes, it's very exciting! And there are lots of other weeds besides dandelions, that consumers would appreciate, once they got educated. Some good examples are purslane, lamb's quarters and sorrel. Oh, but there are many more! Those books will absolutely blow your mind!

I am also a novice. I only started the full-time farm thing a few months ago (after doing it part time for about a year), taking over a lot of responsibility from my parents’ brand new farm. They seemed to bite off more than they could chew (my dad still works full time and my mom can’t do much in the way of hard labor), and now I’m doing most of the work XD. I’m learning a whole lot very fast and will take any advice from any level gardener!

I'm impressed!

Check out this guy:

http://homesweetfarm.com/

I saw an interview with him in which he said factory farmers don't even eat their own animals, because they're freaks!

We are dedicated to sustainable farming, with the mantra of “do more with less.” This idea of edible weeds is golden for us and I will definitely investigate it more. Thank you for the inspiration!

Just passing it on!

Can’t 3D awareness come naturally, without interaction with 3D entities? I cannot recall a specific Ra comment about this, but how else would a planet gain 3D entities without already existing 3D entities? Wouldn’t it be possible, if aphid consciousness were left completely in the hands of 2D nature for millions/possibly billions of years of evolution, it would become self-aware? This may not be as much of a counter-point as a simple point.

I don't know. See my response to Pickle.

Your opinions, if I could just simply make them my own, would be very beneficial to me (not to say this discussion hasn’t already been helpful). Are you referring to a specific Ra transcription, or the Ra material in general?

Ra material in general, specifically what was said about 2D consciousness, as well as Edgar Cayce material, which correlates somewhat.

I definitely will say that a goat or a chicken have much more apparent personality than an aphid. They interact with each other and with nature in ways I would never imagine a bug doing. Is this a factor you personally use to determine level of self-awareness?

No. Nor is it my task to determine level of self-awareness.

Simple observation tells us that 'higher' 2D animals (cows, dogs, birds, etc.) have varying degrees of self-awareness. Have you ever watched a mockingbird taunt a cat? That bird knows exactly what it's doing! It's teasing. Many wild animals have been observed exhibiting behavior that indicates personality.

I know that these animals are self-aware.

I don't know that the aphids aren't. So I am suggesting that we start with what we know, and then head in the direction of expanding our understanding.

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The way I always understood 2D incarnation was that the soul incarnated into the same animal consciousness every time, until the biological pool became unviable or the entity was harvested. I think I drew this understanding from Ra, but I could very well be wrong about it. I will try to find some verification, otherwise, we’re both just admittedly speculating.

I don't see how the soul could evolve if it stayed in the same species every times. That makes no sense to me at all.

I’ve used the example of the chickens’ inherent docile state at night in this thread (or the one on The Responsibility of Participation). Does a chicken choosing to incarnate into that condition mean the chicken is okay with being killed, if only at night?

I don't think so.

Remember that the chicken is awake and aware, but does not fight or flee in the face of danger. I recently discovered (just last night in fact…) this is not the case for all breeds of chickens, but most I’ve encountered (a possum is able to kill every chicken in a chicken coop without a peep from the chickens).

Maybe it's as Pickle suggested: breeding. Are there any wild birds that are docile at night, or just chickens? Breeding can predispose animals to certain characteristics. I don't know what the mechanism is in this case, but I think there must surely be some mechanism at work here.

Probably something to do with herd mentality. Even humans do stupid things when they are part of a herd.

Our differing theories on 2D incarnation render this particular point rather difficult to discuss. Is a carrot really choosing to incarnate as a carrot, or is it doing so because that is where its soul originated: carrot mass consciousness? Will a carrot know it will incarnate into a garden or into the wild? What about a goat, or a chicken? When I have some time I will try to find some conclusive answers on the nature of 2D incarnation.

I absolutely don't accept the limitation of a species. That, in my opinion, goes against what Ra has taught us about consciousness. The 3D body is just a vehicle. Souls can choose different types of vehicles.

I can see how a goat’s incarnation is more invested than an aphids in a sense, but couldn’t it also be true that the goat that is killed might also be instantly reincarnating as another goat? The goat might be more able to interact with its environment, more able to flee death, but if an aphid were aware it were about to die, would it really be more okay with it than the goat?

We really don't know much about aphids. But we do know a lot about goats. We have to start somewhere.

For the record, I'm not suggesting that it's 'ok' to kill aphids.

And wouldn’t using the aphid’s lack of awareness as justification to kill it be similar to killing a goat in its sleep?

I never suggested justifying the killing of aphids. I suggested working towards gardening methods that don't kill bugs at all. But before we can do that, we must raise awareness about what is obvious: the massive suffering of animals whom we know are aware.

I'd like to point out a distinction between momentary awareness, as in being awake vs asleep, and awareness when used to denote consciousness. The terms consciousness and self-awareness have been used interchangeably, which is ok, but when the 'self-' is dropped from 'self-awareness' leaving only 'awareness' it gets confusing.

A human has consciousness; ie. self-awareness. That fact doesn't change when he's asleep. I'm referring to the status of his soul's awareness, not whether his body is awake or asleep at that moment.

Killing a goat in his sleep is no different from killing a goat when he's awake, just as killing a human who's awake is no different from killing a human who's sleeping.