05-21-2011, 11:24 AM
you shouldnt talk about facts, science or similar concepts before correctly perceiving or having sufficient insight on them first :
coincide doesnt mean they are identical. this effect is tied to the effects of the sun, not the society's own musings. society reacts to the energy coming from the sun. their reaction is rarely immediate.
lack of information and insight shows in your incorrect opinion about 1912-1932 period. you probably think because of hardliner movements like nazism, fascism, nationalism has increased. these do not have any direct linkage to nationalism, despite some of them have exploited nationalism in order to acquire followers, especially nazism. however, nazism had paid lip service to anything that could garner them enough votes to get into power, including socialism.
however, these were ideological movements. like how radical versions of extreme left come into prominence in ussr during the period, despite not containing any nationalism due to the doctrine they have been following.
the actual effect of the cycles are found in the society itself. for example, whereas the literature, arts predominantly had nationalistic and imperialistic undertones, which also emphasized grandeur, the literature after world war one strays off to being a predominantly people's literature, concentrated on more humane things compared to the earlier decades. this is because people's consciousness and concentration are focused on these things rather than the others.
as a simple example, even in the decade leading up to nazi prominence in elections in germany, there is still 20-30% social democrat voter base, whereas the people in britain even support gandhi's efforts against their government in an open fashion.
'but it didnt' is a funny and ridiculous approach that could invalidate practically ANYthing in human history, whereas a half arsed google search easily turns out numerous articles regarding the balkan - ww 1 connectio, one of which being the below
http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/balkan_causes.htm
why it didnt start in 1912, despite all the requirements for the war to start being present, is totally a function of free will. the monarchs in the alliances could have acted earlier, or later, according to their free will.
as i understand from your misconception of increase of nationalism in between world war period, you are not vested in interest of history as i am. if i keep discussing with you, i will end up having to explain numerous intricate concepts ranging from the japan culture and the effect of imperial cult, to the sharp contrast in between people's attitudes and reactions to nationalism and ideologies and governments' efforts to pump up and use them as causes/justifications for various things.
which, i dont have any interest in doing. so, i will respectfully bow out of this discussion. thank you.
coincide doesnt mean they are identical. this effect is tied to the effects of the sun, not the society's own musings. society reacts to the energy coming from the sun. their reaction is rarely immediate.
lack of information and insight shows in your incorrect opinion about 1912-1932 period. you probably think because of hardliner movements like nazism, fascism, nationalism has increased. these do not have any direct linkage to nationalism, despite some of them have exploited nationalism in order to acquire followers, especially nazism. however, nazism had paid lip service to anything that could garner them enough votes to get into power, including socialism.
however, these were ideological movements. like how radical versions of extreme left come into prominence in ussr during the period, despite not containing any nationalism due to the doctrine they have been following.
the actual effect of the cycles are found in the society itself. for example, whereas the literature, arts predominantly had nationalistic and imperialistic undertones, which also emphasized grandeur, the literature after world war one strays off to being a predominantly people's literature, concentrated on more humane things compared to the earlier decades. this is because people's consciousness and concentration are focused on these things rather than the others.
as a simple example, even in the decade leading up to nazi prominence in elections in germany, there is still 20-30% social democrat voter base, whereas the people in britain even support gandhi's efforts against their government in an open fashion.
'but it didnt' is a funny and ridiculous approach that could invalidate practically ANYthing in human history, whereas a half arsed google search easily turns out numerous articles regarding the balkan - ww 1 connectio, one of which being the below
http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/balkan_causes.htm
why it didnt start in 1912, despite all the requirements for the war to start being present, is totally a function of free will. the monarchs in the alliances could have acted earlier, or later, according to their free will.
as i understand from your misconception of increase of nationalism in between world war period, you are not vested in interest of history as i am. if i keep discussing with you, i will end up having to explain numerous intricate concepts ranging from the japan culture and the effect of imperial cult, to the sharp contrast in between people's attitudes and reactions to nationalism and ideologies and governments' efforts to pump up and use them as causes/justifications for various things.
which, i dont have any interest in doing. so, i will respectfully bow out of this discussion. thank you.