More Positive but Less Harvestable

[unity100]

I remember, but you are right in that I've forgotten most things. There is much more to the LOO than the questions asked too.

I don't understand that you don't understand my understanding? See the Creator? Have you heard any fishsticks jokes? Do you like fishsticks? JK Seems like that is the kind of disconnect you and I are having on this point.

excuse me, but your 'understanding' here, redefines or obscures what positive/negative is.

when adolf hitler, somehow, is NOT sts, despite he has been defined and given as an example of being sts (creating an elite and making others serve that elite), then what will the definition of sts will be ?

then, killing others in a war wont be a sts act. enslaving others, will end up to be an act that may not be sts.

'there is much more in LOO than asked questions' -> quite. it defines creation, it defines the way it works, it defines the way to walk in that creation.

and you are basically, for some reason, arguing in order to muddle/obscure the information given in regard to those paths. most of the information given in Ra material explain positive, negative, and how to choose one, polarize in one, progress in one. you dont even remember that.

Its easy to blast someones statements by saying "You don't know what your talking about" or "You don't understand fully what you post" and to try everything you can to keep "your" personall truths intact in your mind. The real challenge in unity is to disregard what "you" know and try accepting others words as a diffrent perspective of the same truth. That we are all one. Like my mama always said, If you don't have something nice ta say, don't say anything at all. I think we all can do better at this P.S. This bugs me this happens in forums meant for L/L I think seejay had some pretty good points and is far more than entitled to them. Thanks for you contribution buddy

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there is nothing personal about it - majority of the Ra material is about positive, negative, and knowing these from each other and polarizing in order to progress through 3d harvest, and further. up until 6d. even at that point, the knowledge and understanding of positive and negative is a necessity, in order to be able to balance these two facets. we are openly given definitions of what constitutes sts, what constitutes sto, what constitutes balanced, and examples on that.

and in that, adolf hitler, was given as an example of a sts polarized entity, and WITH detail too.

if, someone comes up and claims that, despite all that, adolf hitler is not told to be a sts entity (despite he was openly told to be) then it means the person either

a) hasnt read
b) doesnt remember
c) didnt pay attention

there is no other explanation to that. it is not some 'personal interpretation'. sts is defined, then, adolf hitler was defined with the definition of sts.

i dont even know why we are discussing about this. it defies wisdom.

I think seejay's understandably upset by seeing people discussing who is STS or STO, or whether or not a UFO shut down a nuclear weapons plant, or whether or not communism or democracy would be more fit for a 4D society, and vented a little bit here. Seeing people get caught up in these transient discussions saddens me inside too, when I would rather see deeper discussion, like how to apply higher thought processes to everyday life, or the sharing of experiences as we balance our lower centers and open our upper ones, or discussion on new Q'uo channelings, etc.

But discussions that may appear to be transient might not be to those who are participating in them in a deeper way. See unity100's examples of using this information to form a wider universe-view, to work from in the future. Not to mention, like zenmaster said, there's differences in the definition of the word "judgement" among people. Discussion may not be what it appears to be right off the bat too. Some people participating in this thread may be trying to put the subject into a mental box, others gathering information, and others comparing themselves to the subject, or any other number of things!

understanding and definition of sts/sto, is not something that is particular to those who are interested in deep information. that information is not even deep at all, in actuality.

sts/sto is something that concerns this harvest, and a few densities after this density. it is actually the subject matter of many on this planet. 3d entities, have to KNOW sts and sto acts, and have to choose in between them, and polarize in a certain direction. even if they do not consciously understand, they have to subconsciously know these acts from another, and polarize.

this is not something 'transient'. it is there, in the practical life everyone is living, every day, every hour, every moment, in interactions in between people. it is what is happening, here and now. feigning willful ignorance of it by saying 'everything is one' or 'but how can you even know' and leaving the matter to obscurity will not bring any kind of spiritual progress, bar the progress with the knowledge of NOT doing as such.

i dont know why i am even having to express this. that is the subject of a good majority of the material we are interested in - and in no obscure terms too.

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a long time ago, while discussing issues of political correctness, people's perspectives, 'all perspectives being valid and true', and whatnot, i told someone,

'what will you do when someone comes and redefines positive and negative, and makes positive not positive, and negative not negative ?'

and it happened just yesterday.

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let me tell you what i see as happening here :

seejay has a relative or a close one who is in the army, or who is in some situation that may not be compatible with positive polarization, or, apparently not apparently positively polarized, and he is willing to go to the lengths of refusing the very definitions and examples given for positive/negative for it. even the denial of very definitions of positive, negative themselves. he may be the one in that situation too, maybe he is in the army or something.

thats not something uncommon or unnatural. many of us have relatives or close ones who we would want to see 'saved'. or get harvested.

tho as humane a desire it may be, it is not something that is wise :

neither the definitions of positive/negative will change with that desire, or, anyone who couldnt qualify for harvest, will qualify for it.

but furthermore, a soul which is wanting/needing to live certain experiences in 3d, has incomplete lessons to take, can not, and actually should not pass to 4d either. leaving aside that it wont happen, even if happened, the entity would have to revisit those lessons LATER, when it would be very hard on the entity to do that by returning from higher densities.

every soul has a development path, and every soul WILL pass through the densities and experiences and arrive at their destination. that does not mean every soul has to walk together for entire route from start to bottom.

you part ways with some at some point, maybe merge paths with them later, maybe never until the end.

the catch is, every soul has something that they WANT and NEED to experience in the path they are following - even if that means 'not succeeding' in getting harvested, this harvest. it means there is some experience that soul WANTS and needs to experience in 3d, and if it cant do it in this setting, it will do it in another 3d experience.