07-06-2011, 07:44 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-06-2011, 08:51 PM by Bring4th_Austin.)
(07-06-2011, 06:55 PM)unity100 Wrote:Quote:Perhaps you could share your point of view on the original context? Slaughter in the garden vs. slaughter of meat animals?
actually i have got into extreme depths of this subject in this thread. if you go back and read earlier pages, i think you will find me having told much more than what you asked here, and i think you will also find them radical enough to pique your curiosity.
I've read, and participated in, the discussions regarding the slaughter of the vegetable and plant food we eat vs. the animal food we eat. This particular discussion had to do with the slaughter of thousands more 2D beings to tend a garden than to slaughter a herd of goats. The discussion basically evolved to a conversation dealing with the net value life of a meat animal vs. the net value life of an insect/thousands of insects/weeds, which was primarily opinion based. I was curious about your opinion on that specific matter, not on the food that we eat.
Quote:Quote:Or possibly explain why you don't feel it's appropriate to recognize the difference between an entity tortured and suffering its entire life vs. an entity cared for and appreciated its entire life? Is it all the same to you, Unity100?
the ending, is traumatic and contradictory to what had happened before. imagine you were cared by your mother all your life, then suddenly your mother throws you outside one day. even this, is rather a smoothened and politically correct example.
basically you have given +1, then suddenly you have given -1. had you kept on without doing that last act, there would be still, +1 in the relationship. of course, this example is also rather simple, and the numbers are rather irrelevant.
Right, I understand that point. The meaning behind my own comment was twofold: first, having happen upon a bug in my garden I must kill to preserve the garden, I kill it, I'm -1 without the +1. And then, if I raised my animals in horrendous conditions like the current mass meat industry, I'd be -1 (or more like -100) and -1, this is using your system of + and -.
Quote:im a kid. someone cares for me my entire life, i trust that person with everything, i am happy, then that someone comes and slaughters me to eat me.
I can understand that blunt view on the matter, but also imagine this: you're a kid, someone treats you terribly your entire life, you live in fear and agony until that person comes and slaughters you to eat you. The comment was in the spirit of this contrast.
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this was the plain and emotional approach to this matter. if you look at earlier pages, you will find technical spiritual approaches.
i wont reiterate them here, since we have discussed quite at length and quite in detail. but im sure they will attract your attention, should you check them out.
I will take another look further back in the thread, but in posting what I did, I was careful not to post any redundant views. I really tried to focus on the death of weeds and insects vs. death of meat animals, and I realize that your emotional and technical spiritual approaches could apply to all of these. Perhaps you're not interested in comparing the two, but if you are, I'd be interested in hearing it.
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I may note, while I understand and agree with your idea of a perfect symbiotic relationship with a fruit tree, the feasability of this regarding certain parts of this specific sphere, specific beings' metabolisms, and specific circumstances, is questionable. But leaving out any specificity even outside of this specific sphere, I agree.
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