07-07-2011, 10:47 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-07-2011, 10:49 AM by Bring4th_Austin.)
I thought I had acknowledged that you were providing good rational explanations for your opinion, but I guess I forgot to put that in my post. You don't have to continue to explain these things (to me, anyways), I'm sure you're very tired of it by now!
Your opinion is based on rational explanations, but is also coupled with strong speculations.
Despite your well-explained speculations, I can't and won't accept the idea that plants were "created" or "designed" to be eaten. Speculating this because of their inherent properties, whether it be their self-regenerative qualities or healing properties after consumed, isn't a valid view in my eyes. It is a good argument for why we should eat them for our benefit, but I don't feel comfortable saying that they exist this way too be eaten. And just because something is easier to slaughter, does that mean is was designed to be slaughtered?
If this were a consideration of the Logos while it was "designing" life to whatever extent it really has control, we should be able to sustain ourselves on 1D material without having to slaughter any 2D beings. The Logos could easily design all 2D and 3D life to sustain off of 1D material (wouldn't that be a wonderful existence!).
Where our opinion differs, and where your arguments fail to sway me, is that I feel it is much more important to pay respect and be grateful for the entity which was slaughtered to sustain your life than to discern which entity to slaughter. A vegetarian who does not appreciate the plants giving their life for their existence isn't better than a meat-eater doing the same in my eyes.
Of course, discernment for personal health, environment impact, and things of that nature are important. We definitely agree on the fact that eating the amount of meat which is normal for Americans isn't healthy for ourselves nor the environment.
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Unrelated, I know you've responded to specific Ra quotes about eating meat. I was curious about your interpretation of this particular exchange:
I understand it is a specific statement aimed at Carla in that specific circumstance, but Ra it's still Ra suggesting someone eat meat (to increase vital energy, no less), I was wondering what your take was.
Your opinion is based on rational explanations, but is also coupled with strong speculations.
Despite your well-explained speculations, I can't and won't accept the idea that plants were "created" or "designed" to be eaten. Speculating this because of their inherent properties, whether it be their self-regenerative qualities or healing properties after consumed, isn't a valid view in my eyes. It is a good argument for why we should eat them for our benefit, but I don't feel comfortable saying that they exist this way too be eaten. And just because something is easier to slaughter, does that mean is was designed to be slaughtered?
If this were a consideration of the Logos while it was "designing" life to whatever extent it really has control, we should be able to sustain ourselves on 1D material without having to slaughter any 2D beings. The Logos could easily design all 2D and 3D life to sustain off of 1D material (wouldn't that be a wonderful existence!).
Where our opinion differs, and where your arguments fail to sway me, is that I feel it is much more important to pay respect and be grateful for the entity which was slaughtered to sustain your life than to discern which entity to slaughter. A vegetarian who does not appreciate the plants giving their life for their existence isn't better than a meat-eater doing the same in my eyes.
Of course, discernment for personal health, environment impact, and things of that nature are important. We definitely agree on the fact that eating the amount of meat which is normal for Americans isn't healthy for ourselves nor the environment.
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Unrelated, I know you've responded to specific Ra quotes about eating meat. I was curious about your interpretation of this particular exchange:
Quote:18.4 Questioner: Are there any foods that are helpful or harmful that the instrument might eat?
Ra: I am Ra. This instrument has body complex distortion towards ill health in the distortion direction corrected best by ingestion of the foodstuffs of your grains and your vegetables, as you call them. However, this is extremely unimportant when regarded as an aid with equality to other aids such as attitude which this instrument has in abundance. It, however, aids the vital energies of this instrument, with less distortion towards ill health, to ingest foodstuffs in the above manner with the occasional ingestion of what you call your meats, due to the instrument’s need to lessen the distortion towards low vital energy.
I understand it is a specific statement aimed at Carla in that specific circumstance, but Ra it's still Ra suggesting someone eat meat (to increase vital energy, no less), I was wondering what your take was.
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