In regards to eating meat

[Bring4th_Austin]

Otherwise, how does a particular species evolve to 3D, rather than an individual?

just like how gandalf the cat has passed over the threshold of 3d, before the group soul we know as 'felix domesticus' has passed into 3d as entirety.

No, Gandalf passed over the threshold because of investment from 3D entities. An entire species would not gain that investment in a single incarnation. Without investment, the process is obviously different.

you are treating group consciousness as if it was akin to society complexes which are harvest requirements in 4d and 6d. in these densities, entities cannot graduate before their society complex graduates. however, this is not as such in 5d, or 3d for example.

Again, you're right in regards to investment. We have no examples of a single entity graduating 3D without investment, we do have an example of species though.

however i got your question in broader sense. and, in that regard ; there is no mandatory requirement for a species to evolve into 3d. the evolution, is the evolution of the mind/spirit complexes, not the body complex.

3D is the first density of consciousness of spirit, there is no spirit in the complex of a 2D animal. The evolution is of the mind, which I'm assuming the body follows. The mind is without self-awareness, sparking from the group mind, until the group mind may gain enough experience to realize self, in which all of the minds within would realize self.

so, there is no requirement that goes like 'cat group soul and bodies evolve into 3d' or 'ape group souls and bodies evolve into 3d'.

When it is the species and not the individual which graduates, I would beg to differ.

ra had mentioned that the choice of body type to use, elements used in their design, even to the extent of 3d body to use in the planet, is a moment's choice by the logos. logos may have chosen another body than the ape body for this planet.

Ra says the "form" of the body, I don't personally equate this with species. Some may. I don't think there's a more specific reference from Ra to clarify.

therefore, just like how entities in and above 3d do with their spiritual evolution, an appropriate body and experiential circumstance may be chosen for the entity's development in 2d too. the general blueprint of progress wouldnt change per densities. its basically the practice of placing any soul/entity/consciousness/whatever, in the appropriate body in a desired experiential nexus, and then taking it off.

There is a major difference between entities in and above 3D and entities in 2D, that is self-awareness.

so basically, this planet could go on for 8 billion years, and felis domesticus body may not evolve into a 3d body, and at any given point there may be a lot of entities inhabiting the cat group soul, but, there may be billions of entities passing through that group soul into other group souls and eventually graduating into 3rd density.

I'm not so sure about this, is this based on Ra material? I'm not inclined to think a soul will leave its species group consciousness unless it is invested by a 3D entity and gains self-awareness. Otherwise, I find it logical to assume that if a species gains self-awareness, the species in the group soul gain self-awareness, and the species graduates to 3D.

gandalf is a stellar example in this regard - despite already 3d, the entity could chose to come back as a cat.

Again, because Gandalf was invested with love and gained self-awareness, it could make this choice. I don't see how a choice for self can be made without self-awareness. And I don't agree the mechanics for gaining self-awareness without investment are the same.

I'm not necessarily saying that that the group consciousness does not contain individuals either. But these individuals are not self-aware, they don't realize that they are individuals, they exist as part of the group rather than individuals.

you are forgetting the implications of sub-densities. when you remember that Ra says there are infinite sub-octaves of consciousness in each density (a sub-octave of consciousness as opposed to an octave of consciousness which is this octave, which is AGAIN just a sub octave of consciousness compared to whatever greater octave it is part of), then the conclusion becomes straightforward :

there is infinite levels of advancement at any given octave, including subdensities.

therefore, for any given density, there is infinite levels of sub octaves which measure and place the entity at a standing in that octave in regard to development of the entity. leave aside meaning of that octave.

so, 1d is an infinite suboctave in which entities stand in different advancements in regard to not only development of consciousness, but also that density's meaning - the desire to move and transform without dispersing, 2d is an infinite suboctave in which entities stand in different advancements regarding the vibration of consciousness, AND the meaning of the octave - the existence of an individual 'self' within them, and 3d is an infinite suboctave of consciousness not only as to vibration of consciousnesses in it, but also the meaning of that density - the attitude of the entity in regard to others. and so it goes.

again, simply, the objective of an entire 2 billion year long density, cannot happen over a trivial amount of time. it is a progression.

I don't see why all of this can't apply to a group consciousness gaining experiences from its individual mind/body complex incarnations. Otherwise, why would there even be a group consciousness? Why would the group consciousness exist if the entities didn't exist as a group? They'd just exist as individuals, maybe unaware of themselves, but not as a group.

I don't quite follow your idea that some of may goats my be harvestable 3D. Gandalf had the possibility of reincarnating with L/L to be with the people he loved. My goats have never shown love in the level of a house-pet.

the problem here is that, the behavior pattern and manners of each species are not the same. regardless of how much your tortoise could love you, it couldnt be able to show that love in any manner you could interpret through the logic of the current societal complex of 3d.

and in retrospect, as much as your bird may sing to you, that may not be a show of love and affection.

that could only be measured and gauged by the interaction/vibration felt while with the entity, but then for this, the entity (you) would need to be quite sharp in spiritual sensitivity and cleaned and cleared those senses.

When a goat which I have cared for its entire life roughly shoves me out of the way to get to some food, I think the vibration is rather clear: I care more about food than your well-being. I don't take it personally, and it doesn't make me love the goat less, but it does make me aware of how aware this goat is as far as individualism.

If there were such a variety of levels of 2D consciousness within group consciousness, we'd be able to keep any sort of species as a house pet as long as we found one close enough to true individuation. And, we would not be able to keep cats and dogs as house pets as such a majority, because we couldn't guarantee that we could make them behave in a manner similar to us. There are exceptions as far as psychological conditioning and genetics goes, but I'm talking about the majority.

actually it is as such - cats, dogs, differ wildly in regard to their level. even though you can generally place them in a certain broad range, you would find that even the offspring of the same mother vary wildly in regard to their attitudes, sensitivity, awareness and consciousness. some may be wilder despite growing in the same house, some may be much more humane. not only that, they may also have born with various traits, behaviors and habits they brought from pre incarnation, quirky stuff that you cannot explain with conditioning or life experience.

I wouldn't say they differ "wildly," otherwise they wouldn't be the most popular house pet. We would have an outrageous variety of house pets, because different group consciousnesses would have varying levels of awareness appropriate to be considered "part of the family."

These "individual quirks" could easily be explained by the fact that the closeness of their group soul to 3D. The goats have very little individual quirks. It's very noticeable that they're slaves to their environment and genes. They do gain personalities because every situation is different, but watching a goat grow up, it's very easy to see how it gains this personality.

The connectome of the brain (hugely vast map of neural connections) as well as genetics can't be downplayed in animal behavior. People who breed animals pick out specific traits in behavior and personality they wish to pass on to the offspring.

Also, I know you don't normally like to get too personal, so don't feel obligated to answer this, but I'm extremely curious as to what your particular diet is. How does someone like you with such conviction on these views sustain themselves?

i told already in my post.

I must have glanced over it, sorry.



I think what we have are different theories of how 2D group consciousness works. I'd be much more interested in find some reference in the Ra material or otherwise acceptable source than us explaining the logic behind our theories.