(07-07-2011, 11:34 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Live coverage: Police report 7 dead in Northeast Grand Rapids
This event is happening right now. A poll:
If you had the power to either A) stop this kind of event from ever occurring again, or B) stop the slaughter of animals from ever happening again, which would you choose and why?
In other news:
French vegan couple whose baby died of vitamin deficiency after being fed solely on breast milk face jail for child neglect
Vegan Couple Starved Toddler, Cops Say
Vegan couple cleared of starving baby, guilty of child neglect
Vegan Parents Guilty Of Starving Son
I acknowledge these stories are about vegans, and not vegetarians. Yet they are still good examples of what happens when absolutism and zealotry take hold of what would otherwise be a noble idea. How a human being could rationalize harming or killing their own child in order to save a cow is beyond my comprehension. And yes, I also know these are extreme cases not representative of vegans in general. Obviously.
I am a zealot. I fought the standard of care when my daughter was born at 23 weeks. At one point I gave in to the brow beating and allowed them to add powdered supplement to the breast milk. It darn near killed her. After that I found that the FDA had put out a bulletin years ago for NICUs to cease using powdered supplements on preemies. They actually tried to force me into continuing this supplement the instant she was brought back to stable condition. They ceased only after I brought in a copy of the FDA recommendation AND a print out of the warning from the supplement maker saying that what they manufacture is not safe for preemies.
They told me she would have a host of problems simply as a result of being born that early, soft bones, mental issues, lung issues, blindness, etc. What we have since found is that the standard of care does in fact cause all these issues and sets them up for cancer later in life. While we are so technologically advanced in this country we also have the highest rate of mortality with preemies, forcing those like us to go against what feels natural. My daughter is in perfect health and far ahead of her age with perfect vision, as a result of being breast fed by a life long vegan mother.
Keep in mind that you can live solely on FruitLoops and be called a vegan. The USA is full of folks that want to gain better health but do not have knowledge or understanding behind their decisions. Those are the folks that will end up in the news. On the same thought, this applies to religious that allow their children to die from reliance on prayer, the exact same lack of understanding. What you will not see is a lot of criticism about health issues from the propagandized standards. A 150lb 6 year old is no big deal. But if that kid had gotten that big in a family that was anti propaganda, then he would make the news.
Nobody can tell me that a vegan lifestyle is unhealthy since I am married to a lifelong healthy vegan. Plus the fact that I have gotten rid of arthritis, eye problems, foot pain, and 40 pounds of weight from a slow switch to veganism. I live in an area that is completely reliant on cows and beef. What I find interesting is how many people have told me their pain has gone away after they quit eating meat. They are not vegans or even vegetarians, they just subconsciously slowed down on their intake and later on connect the fact that they have no pain getting out of their cars with the fact that their diet is different.
When something as small as meat makes that kind of a difference, some people will take notice and look at other things they ingest as also causing problems, It is a chain of dissection that eventually gets many people to raw veganism. Many don't care, and follow a belief, and that is when you see some fat ass in a motorized cart telling people like me I don't know how to eat right.
Everyone is free to eat others, even their neighbors if they want, that is free will. I guess the thin line is the concept of infringement of free will. I wonder how a plant is designed with the free will to not be eaten? Wait, the concept of will does not exist in a plant, other than possibly trees. And if an animal is no different than a plant, well then it is not free will to live that they try to escape you, it is only that they love to run.

(07-08-2011, 05:22 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I would like to promote vegetarianism. Wanna know why I don't? Because as soon as the word comes out of my mouth, I know that the vast majority of people are going to associate me with some sort of whacko nutjob living on a communist ranch somewhere in the hills. Whether said whacko exists does not matter.
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”