(07-09-2011, 02:27 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Well then it seems like you understand exactly where I am coming from.
Tenet, I'd like to add that yes, I really do understand where you're coming from, in regards to your health practice. Even though we disagree philosophically, on a practical level, we really aren't so different. The main difference I see is that, since I do feel so strongly about the animals (just as you and I both do about war), then I am always on the lookout for an opportunity to offer that info, whereas you (presumably) aren't.
However, I rarely offer it unless I see some sort of an indication that the person is ready to hear it. I don't just go up to people and tell them to quit eating dead animals! That would be absurd and wouldn't do any good anyway. But if they ask me for dietary recommendations, of course I tell them what I know. Or if I otherwise get some sort of opening, I offer them as much as I think they might be ready for. Then it's up to them as to what they do with that info.
Since I deal with people with health challenges every day, I encounter plenty of opportunities to gently plant the seeds about a plant-based diet. My approach depends on the person. But I'm certain that if you saw me in action, you wouldn't think of me as a 'zealot.'

Since my business is medical-grade water ionizer machines (producing alkaline, antioxidant water), what often happens is that, after drinking the water, people just naturally start improving their diet! I've known several people who became vegetarians after drinking the water, with zero prompting from me! And others who started eating salads, whereas they never liked salads before, or started cutting back on meat, for no apparent reason. The taste buds changes as the body chemistry changes.
So my job is actually really easy. Most people won't change their diets. But it's easy for them to just change their water. All I have to do is educate them on the water, and the water does the rest. It's very gratifying to watch the unexpected changes unfold.
Ironically, many of my animal-rights-activist friends would probably say I'm not vocal enough. But I am when it's appropriate. Sometimes being outspoken is called for, just like you said you do on the war and religion issues. And sometimes it's not. Just like on the war and religion issues. I wouldn't dream of knocking on my Christian friends' doors and telling them they're wrong! But when it comes up in conversation...it's fair game. That's where discernment comes in. It's a delicate balancing act, to find that balance between speaking up for our convictions, while respecting the rights of others. It gets even more difficult when victims are involved.
To complicate matters even further, there isn't a consensus as to whether victims are even involved! To me, it's obvious that victims are involved. Animals shriek in pain and terror! They struggle to escape the executioner. They are victims.
Astoundingly, not everyone agrees that they are victims. Not even here on a Law of One forum.
Can you understand that I am just as astounded by this, as you are that you had to explain why war is wrong? As you said...on a Law of One forum. Even if you don't agree with me, I hope that you can understand the comparison.
That's why such topics are considered volatile. I can think of other volatile topics that, blessedly, haven't yet come up. Sparks will fly if they ever do! Even on a Law of One forum...
Anyway, my point is that, what I do in practice, and what you do in practice, aren't up for debate or analysis. We each do the best we can, hopefully, in our particular circumstances. But there is a clear distinction between the discussion of concepts/ideals and application of those concepts/ideals.
Obviously, one would hope that we all strive to apply our ideals as best we can. But that is for each of us to ascertain for ourselves.
(07-09-2011, 06:18 PM)unity100 Wrote: this planet's nature was changed before. there were dinosaurs, and the ecosystem was much more vile and rabid. now, it seems quite tame compared to that period. and that change happened quite fast. there is nothing barring that from happening again.
Very good point! I see no reason why Earth couldn't shift to a vegetarian planet, eventually, with humans leading the way. I read recently about a raw vegan who is feeding her dog a raw vegan diet. And the dog is thriving! I was amazed by this. I didn't think it was possible but she's doing it.
I wonder if the 4D vibrations are affecting the 2D entities...?