1984.04.15 First Hatonn Contact After Ra

[unity100]

Yes, unity100, it is arguable. Ever and anon you seem to be wanting to express that things are arguable. And ever you are right. Though I offered links to other threads where I have offered reasoning. And you are present in those other threads offering your counterviews.

So, I am not sure if you are here trying to dismiss all of my previous reasoning as false, or if it doesn't count because I haven't specifically recounted it in this thread, or...? I will stop trying to figure out what is going on in your mind here. Will you enlighten me?

the reasonings you have provided doesnt add up to enough. the picture you paint is as if Ra has intervened to prevent hatonn from doing tv communication. the appearance of Ra with a new project of advanced communication and this being preceded by hatonn ceasing direct communication does not necessitate Ra's intervention. this is the foremost point :

these three entities may have communed in between each other, and hatonn may have realized that it should get into an entanglement that Ra has previously got themselves in. there is no better entity (that we know, at least) than Ra to warn about such entanglements.

guardians may have intervened. this is the most probable one.

secondly, there are other points which you are using to rationalize, which start from a wrong footing :

So Latwii is basically insinuating that Hatonn was on the verge of making a mistake and infringing on the will of the people, and then was suddenly moved to 8D?!

I find that kind of strange. Hasn't an 8D entity already balanced love/wisdom and therefore never contemplate infringement on free will.

Then on 01.01.15 Ra comes claiming a need for diversity of experience in channeling, and a different slant on the information.

latwii says hatonn moved to the LAST octave of that density - that being 8th, of 3rd. not 8th density.

Thus, Hatonn has moved [to the] eighth or final or covering layer or dimension of this particular octave,

in addition, what they say is not a 'false promise' of return - indeed, if someone wishes, they can return, because it is the mechanic which governs the calling.

Well, I offered that no, they can't. I have a whole other thread discussing the idea that the Ra contact was an intervention on Hatonn. And you clearly didn't like the opinion I offered there either.

Which, of course, is fine. Maybe you could share more of where -you- are coming from. A personal story, perhaps, to help provide some context for your posts?

it is not a matter of liking or not liking. its a matter of rationalization :

here you are forgetting the very basic mechanics of spiritual development - if there is a call, it is heeded. it doesnt matter whether the end result of the call may end up infringing in any sense you take it - if there is a call enough to allow an influence, it is allowed. this even includes orion, which seek to violate free will as much as they can.

in short, if entities called hatonn enough, they would be allowed to return on behalf of the guardians as per laws of calling.

however, hatonn may not have chosen to heed the call and do whatever they were expected to do - this is their free will. this would probably be the case, unless hatonn had decided to totally go against the collective they are a part of, and the confederation.

however, they could return.

alright then start enslaving people and claim you are polarizing positively, because there is no absolute principle from which to discern appropriate ethical behavior but for the Law of One.

Yes, my friend yes. This is why the negative side exists. Remember? It is all just as well according to the Law of One. It even SAYS that in the Law of One.

No, my friend no. and i shouldnt be even needing to explain this to you, because your proposition is logically negligent :

negative path is the path in which entities are enslaved. IF you are following the negative path, enslaving entities IS something that you SHOULD be doing. the very definition of negative path, is enslaving entities.

enslaving entities is not something that is allowed in the positive path. it is not in its definition - it is in negative path's definition. you cannot just go say 'all is one' and then keep enslaving people and positively polarize.

you will negatively polarize, if you enslave. you will not positively polarize. enslaving other entities is something you should not be doing if you are polarizing positively.

Others keep trying to come back and project their personal ethical system onto the Law of One when there is nothing there. The dynamics of how this occurs is all right here in this session, which I am drawing attention to. Are you even paying attention to what I write, or do you just look for the first thing to argue against, and stick with that. Hmm?

you are not even paying attention to what you are saying. dont expect me to pay more attention to what you are saying if it keeps on like this :

in the above block before this, you ended up basically saying 'negative path is a valid path too' according to Law of One. however, what you were responding to wasnt saying anything which would need such a reply at all :

i have said that, there are certain paths which you CAN choose, but, 'anything' doesnt go in those paths. you cannot choose a negative path and serve entities or you cant choose a positive path and enslave other entities.

you are free to choose your path. you are not free to violate the requirements of that path.

basically the proposition was this, and you have basically responded by saying 'negative path is a valid path too'. yes, it is valid (until 6th). but, there are dos and donts in that path too.

law of 'one' becomes law of 'one' at the point where everything is 'one'. you are not at that point, but an earlier continuum in which there is future, past, and a lot of other things.

You have absolutely no idea "where" I am or "where" I came from.

yes. since you are typing behind a computer monitor to something we call internet, you are incarnated in physical form on this planet. therefore, you are experiencing this end 3d experiential nexus with us.

there is a future here for you, there is a past here for you. there was a time at which you havent posted that post, and there is a time (now) in which you had had posted that post.

you need to choose a path and walk it - and there are paths. the very definition of a path, is unfortunately something straight and narrow, just like how it is defined below :

Lol! That's a great phrase you used there "straight and narrow" which is typically invoked when others cannot live up to the "impossible" ideal of Jesus' life. I will put that in my own evidence column, thanks!

im leaving aside the fact that the quotes i have provided, which you have apparently not read do not pertain to anything about jeshosuah or any other caanan/middle east entity of the past, they dont belong to me either :

17.33 Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult to attain harvestability upon than the positive?

Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a straight and narrow path as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to otherselves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.

Category: Harvest

26.36 Questioner: As you have stated, it is a straight and narrow path. There are many distractions.

We have created an introduction to the Law of One, traveling through and hitting the high points of this 75,000 year cycle. After this introduction I would like to get directly to the main work, which is an investigation of evolution. I am very appreciative and feel a great honor and privilege to be doing this and hope that we can accomplish this next phase.

Ra: I am Ra. I leave you, my friends, in the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator. Go forth, then, merry and glad and rejoicing in the power and the peace of the One Creator. Adonai.

Categories: Ra Contact, Ra Contact: Closing Statements

yes, the path is straight and narrow however much you may not like it.

in short ; there are dos, and donts for arriving at a certain location at the end of a path. of course you are at liberty to choose any path you like, and change your path however often you want, however without actually walking the path that was chosen, no waypoint will be reached.

I challenge you to find anything in the material which suggests that, once one has made the choice, they are required that every future choice is in alignment with that. According to my read, Ra views 3D as a field of possibility where one is meant to have some leeway. Maybe try some darkness on for size every now and again, see how it feels? It is OK to play with the darkness, my friend, if you know who you really are. It is OK to NOT play with the darkness, either. I'm just saying the "straight line" approach to a path is not the only one out there.

had you actually read what the person you are discussing with has linked, you wouldnt end up needing to ask it again. however, let me, out of courtesy, include it for you again - despite you havent read and pondered it -. this time with links AND c/p :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?search_...&ss=1&sc=1

17.33 Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult to attain harvestability upon than the positive?

Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a straight and narrow path as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to otherselves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.

Category: Harvest

26.36 Questioner: As you have stated, it is a straight and narrow path. There are many distractions.

We have created an introduction to the Law of One, traveling through and hitting the high points of this 75,000 year cycle. After this introduction I would like to get directly to the main work, which is an investigation of evolution. I am very appreciative and feel a great honor and privilege to be doing this and hope that we can accomplish this next phase.

Ra: I am Ra. I leave you, my friends, in the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator. Go forth, then, merry and glad and rejoicing in the power and the peace of the One Creator. Adonai.

Categories: Ra Contact, Ra Contact: Closing Statements

you cannot 'play' with the dark and polarize. the only occasion in which you would need to 'play with the dark', would be to satisfy the experiential need inside you for experiencing that dark impulse you have in you, and then moving over. even at that point, you will not be polarizing positively while you are polarizing negatively. its not a game of 'random doings' with what one walks a path. when the entity experiences it and learns that it should not engage in that act due to the path it is following, it becomes something the entity should not do. if the entity is still compelled to engage in that act, it means the entity has not learned yet. but when it learns, the law of responsibility will act, and it wont just be a random game of anything you do goes.

Well, emotions have a tendency to do that. As I alluded above, I was not suspecting that strong of an emotion to come out, so I thought it better to just document it in the post and let it be for now. I will give it a bit to churn around and see what comes out once I can see a bit more clearly.

let me tell you what i am seeing here :

your beef seems to be with religions, jesus, this that - biases that the current societal mind has.

it seems you are interpreting behavior patterns and whatnot that were created by these biases, as 'paths'. that is not correct. these may or may not be paths. jeshosuah lived a certain life with certain societal biases, and after his life these were changed and beefed up fundamentally.

however, if you look at this entity's life, the act he undertook at the end of his life - ie sacrificing his life while remaining positive and without resisting - would probably pertain to a certain lesson of end 4th density, the latest sub octave of that density. THAT, may be a pattern that may be necessary to follow at the end of 4th density, in however form one may see - even if it is not necessarily cessation of an incarnation.