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    Thread: Why do you believe?


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    08-14-2009, 12:28 PM
    (08-13-2009, 10:04 PM)Lavazza Wrote: I was also highly mystified by the existence of evil. And again in all honesty, I still don't really understand why it has to exist. I will try and start a new thread for this tomorrow.

    This is a very interesting question, and one that a significant portion of Book IV of the Law of One is devoted to, although it may not seem so on your first reading. Let me share with you a few relevant quotes:

    Ra, Book IV, Session 77 Wrote:Questioner: Would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, positive polarity.

    There was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function of only the positive polarization evolving from the original creation of our sub-Logos?

    Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third-density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.

    Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad.

    It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment and also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

    Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

    Questioner: I guess, under the first distortion, it was the free will of the Logos to choose to evolve without free will. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

    From the simplest level, what Ra is saying is that there is a direct relationship between the Logos' choice to allow free will within its creations (e.g., 3D entities), and the availability of "evil" (or less judgmentally, "negativite polarity"). This makes perfect sense in that where there is no good/evil dichotomy, there is no "choice" just as where there is no free will there is no "choice". The other necessary aspect for the granting of free will though, is the removing of conscious knowledge of ones inherent godliness. This we refer to as the veil (note also, that the words veil and evil are anagrams... do you think this is a coincidence?).

    But the existence of evil goes even deeper than veiling and free will. It touches on the original reason for our existence. Recall that we are here to help the One Creator experience himself. Before the existence of "the choice", all 3D experiences were of a much more harmonic and peaceful (monochrome) nature. Although this made for easier lives for the 3D entities, it produced much less variety of experiences than could occur in a dichotomic world, and it also complicated the process of polarization and advancement due to this comfortable existence. In addition though, consider how much more colorful life is with the veil:

    Ra, Book IV, Session 95 Wrote:Questioner: Thank you. In the last session you indicated in the statement about the immature male meeting the immature female that the information exchanged was quite different with respect to what occurred because of the veil. Would you give an example of the information exchange prior to the veil for the same case?

    Ra: I am Ra. Given this same case; that is, the random red-ray sexual arousal being activated in both male and female, the communication would far more likely have been to the subject of the satisfying of that red-ray, sexual impulse. When this had occurred other information such as the naming could be offered with clear perception. It is to be noted that the catalyst which may be processed by the pre-veil experience is insignificant compared to the catalyst offered to the thoroughly bemused male and female after the veil. The confusion which this situation, simplistic though it is, offers is representative of the efficiency of the enlargement of the catalytic processes occurring after the veiling.


    This quote really brings home the importance then of free will -> veil -> evil -> choice in terms of creating much more varied and interesting experiences which we will eventually distill and bring back to the Infinite creator for his bemusement and enjoyment.

    Make sense?

    Lavazza Wrote:Regarding your tool analogy, do you mean to say that there are components of the LOO text that you either choose not to believe, or that you have not put enough mental energy in to to incorporate in with your existing belief/knowing complex? Certainly there are parts of TLOO that I have not been able to fully process/accept, especially in the 'fragments' section. I suppose this could be likened to yet another spice that has been thrown in to the cauldron of my catalyst-belief-knowing stew.

    Mostly the latter. So much to do... so little time.

    That said though, there are some parts of the Law of One that do not resonate with me. These mostly have to do with transitory material that Don delved into at different times, but there are also some interactions between Don and Ra, that just feel to me like Don has such a conviction about the answer that Ra gives him a simple affirmative answer but does not elaborate as he normally would. I suspect that in some of these cases, Ra does so to terminate the line of questions without infringing on Don's free will or personal belief systems as he might if he gave a negative reply. Note that I do not feel that this is a shortcoming of Don in any way, as I'm sure that the same thing would happen with all of us (myself especially).

    Thanks again for the good thread and the good questions!

    Love and Light,

    3D Sunset

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    Why do you believe? - by Lavazza - 08-12-2009, 06:00 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by Lorna - 08-12-2009, 07:30 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by airwaves - 08-13-2009, 11:36 AM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by Whitefeather - 08-13-2009, 01:05 AM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by ayadew - 08-13-2009, 04:58 AM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by 3D Sunset - 08-13-2009, 09:03 AM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by Whitefeather - 08-13-2009, 06:32 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by Lavazza - 08-13-2009, 10:04 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by 3D Sunset - 08-14-2009, 12:28 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by ayadew - 08-14-2009, 06:43 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by Lavazza - 08-17-2009, 12:19 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by 3D Sunset - 08-17-2009, 04:33 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by Lavazza - 08-19-2009, 01:08 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by 3D Sunset - 08-19-2009, 05:06 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by Lavazza - 08-20-2009, 02:36 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by 3D Sunset - 08-21-2009, 03:14 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by Lavazza - 08-27-2009, 02:20 PM
    RE: Why do you believe? - by 3D Sunset - 08-27-2009, 02:48 PM

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