More Positive but Less Harvestable

[Monica]

When I come across seemingly conflicting information, my natural instinct is that investigation into the discrepancy will yield a higher level of understanding. While this may not be fruitful in all cases, there certainly can be no further understanding acquired by labeling one source as "right" and the other as "wrong" and leaving it as that.

Respectfully, I disagree. While any process of introspection will undoubtedly yield higher understanding, and all points of view are valid from their own perspective, that doesn't necessarily mean that all points of view are valid from our perspective.

My Christian fundamentalist friends think their dogma, based on the Bible, is 'right' and anything New Age/occult/channeled is 'wrong' or even 'satanic.' From my perspective, it would be beneficial for them to open their minds a bit. But from their perspective, dabbling in info such as the Law of One might only confuse them, because people tend to fear that which they don't understand. So it might be appropriate for them to think such info is 'wrong' according to their own chosen paradigm.

Likewise, many of us have long ago dismissed religious dogma. For us, the notion that 'God' chose only a few elite souls to have eternal life, while condemning some 80% of the population to eternal hellfire, is, quite simply, wrong.

We can respect that religious people believe that, and are entitled to believe that if they so choose. But, quite frankly, I simply don't believe in the Biblical 'God' nor its associated dogmas.

This isn't judgment; it's discernment.

Discernment is important. With religious dogma, it's easy: most of us pretty much agree on that. But with other channeled sources or any other 'New Age' info, it's not so black-and-white. Some find value in those other sources, while others do not.

With that said, I now direct you to our guidelines and request that any further discussion of the Cassiopaeans be redirected to the sub-forum designated for that purpose.

The idea put forth which I think is very intriguing is that 4D, though having an element of physicality, does not require one to eat food in the way that we normally think about it. If one is desirous of food, they may simply manifest it out of the "ethers".

This gets back to the potential folly I pointed out in attempting to impose 4D values on a 3D society. One thing I really like about the C's is that, when pressed for questions about 4D, they frequently offer "wait and see" as a reply.

So getting back to the food issue, perhaps upon our arrival in 4D we will find that this deep inner conflict over eating our animal and plant friends becomes a moot point. Perhaps we will find that this, and other issues that humans tend to get all worked up in a tizzy about, simply resolve themselves effortlessly, and we will find that much of our conflict and chagrin was for naught.

Again I disagree, and see incongruency in this statement and your next paragraph in which you see following a guru as a pitfall.

Following a guru is much like waiting for Jesus to come back, or the aliens to save us, or...4D.

What those all have in common is a "wait and see" attitude...ie., we don't really have to take responsibility for ourselves, because Jesus/aliens/4D will 'save' us and we can just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Again, I see a huge pitfall for the "newly awakened" to get hoodwinked by self-styled gurus, masters, avatars and saviors, who are all too eager to impose all manner of physical practices that are supposedly intended to make one "more spiritual". Since, quite clearly, the gurus do not agree, one can easily become lost for years, decades, or even lifetimes, trying to determine which is the "One True Way" to eat, sleep, meditate, exercise, etc. for "spiritual growth".

Ironically, this persistent idea of the "One True Way" is the #1 obstacle to true spiritual growth and understanding.

Sure. But so is "waiting to be rescued" an obstacle, because the entity stagnates, rather than being proactive in his/her spiritual progress.

In the case of your example - eating animals - I respectfully submit that it's a cop-out to just "wait for 4D" when animals are suffering in the here and now, and we have the power to do something about it.

As our new member Diana stated:

Imagine the most Utopian future world you can. What would it be like? Perhaps at that point consuming anything but air and sunlight would be all we need? Draw a straight line from where we are now to that future world. Now start taking steps along that line.

"Taking steps along that line" isn't being dogmatic about a "One true way"; it's being pro-active, and acting responsibly, to do that which we can do, instead of waiting for someone else to do it for us, or waiting for a certain date in which we'll be absolved of our responsibilities.

Moreover, if we really are co-creators, then 4D isn't going to just magically appear. We aren't going to go poof in an instant. As Edgar Cayce said, "You don't go to heaven; you grow to heaven!"

As is being discussed in 6th-Density Negatively Polarized Wanderers?, a fairly substantial argument can be made that, throughout history, every attempt to impose higher density values upon a third density culture has backfired bigtime.

Of course. Key word here being impose. Look at what happened to those Wanderers who woke up in 4D negative, "disconcerted." But there's a big difference between imposing values on others, and inspiring others to adopt those values.