In regards to eating meat

[Monica]

Alrighty, then. Despite the other valid points raised in this thread, I do not see one iota of evidence from the Ra material to support a vegetarian lifestyle.

Sure there is. Ra makes it very clear that higher 2D beings are close to being human. Ra makes it very clear that bellicosity has held this planet back. Ra makes it very clear that violence towards other entities, and controlling other entities, are inappropriate for one pursuing the STO path. Thus, simple deduction can lead to the conclusion that violence towards entities that are close to being human, and who feel pain and fear, probably isn't in alignment with the STO path.

Ra doesn't need to explicitly say, "Don't rape" for us to know that rape is depolarizing for one on the STO path. It's controlling another entity. It's violent. It's a no-brainer.

Thus, Ra's lack of explicit mention that rape = depolarizing can't reasonably be used to justify rape. It would be ludicrous to say, "Rape is ok because Ra didn't say it wasn't ok."

The Law of One isn't a religious text or doctrine. It contains only those topics which were directly initiated by Don.

In fact, I see quite the opposite:

I don't. I don't see the opposite (supporting the eating of animals) at all, and I think to claim Ra supports the eating of animals is quite a stretch.

Quote:102.16 Questioner: Could Ra please state which foods are highly probable to not cause the spasming?

Ra: I am Ra. The liquids not containing carbonation, the well-cooked vegetable which is most light and soft, the well-cooked grains, the non-fatted meat such as the fish. You may note that some recommended foodstuffs overlap allergies and sensitivities due to the juvenile rheumatoid arthritic distortions. Further, although sugar such as is in your sweetened desserts represents a potential, we may suggest that it be included at this period for aforementioned reasons.

This quote has to do with spasming, and specifically, the 'foods' in a specific person's (Carla's) diet that cause spasming. Irrelevant.

Quote:40.14 Questioner: In dietary matters, what would be the foods that one would include and what would be the foods that one would exclude in a general way for the greatest care of one’s bodily complex?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we underline and emphasize that this information is not to be understood literally but as a link or psychological nudge for the body and the mind and spirit. Thus it is the care and respect for the self that is the true thing of importance. In this light we may iterate the basic information given for this instrument’s diet. The vegetables, the fruits, the grains, and to the extent necessary for the individual metabolism, the animal products. These are those substances showing respect for the self. In addition, though this has not been mentioned for this instrument is not in need of purification, those entities in need of purging the self of a poison thought-form or emotion complex do well to take care in following a program of careful fasting until the destructive thought-form has been purged analogously with the by-products of ridding the physical vehicle of excess material. Again you see the value not to the body complex but used as a link for the mind and spirit. Thus self reveals self to self.

I've already provided my analysis of this particular quote, previously on this thread. I hope you understand that I've already referenced the earlier post at least twice, maybe more, and I simply don't have time to dig it out yet again. I'm wondering why you are asking about it again, when I've already addressed it?

In short, animal products could mean eggs or milk. It doesn't necessarily mean meat. So the quote is completely inconclusive and doesn't support your argument about eating meat, at all.

That's the only quote about meat that wasn't specifically about Carla, and it's...inconclusive.

If you did read my response to this particular quote but simply disagree, then that's fine. But you seemed to be directing your query to me. Please pardon me if I've misunderstood.

Quote:18.4 Questioner: Are there any foods that are helpful or harmful that the instrument might eat?

Ra: I am Ra. This instrument has body complex distortion towards ill health in the distortion direction corrected best by ingestion of the foodstuffs of your grains and your vegetables, as you call them. However, this is extremely unimportant when regarded as an aid with equality to other aids such as attitude which this instrument has in abundance. It, however, aids the vital energies of this instrument, with less distortion towards ill health, to ingest foodstuffs in the above manner with the occasional ingestion of what you call your meats, due to the instrument’s need to lessen the distortion towards low vital energy.

This quote too is irrelevant, because it is addressing Carla specifically. And, as I've said before, Ra accepts us where we're at with full respect to our free will. I see nothing in this quote supporting violent actions towards our 2D brethren; nor do I see anything contradictory in Ra's response to a question about Carla's specific dietary choices.

Carla is a Christian too, and Ra takes that into consideration when suggesting that the Bible and other magickal 'props' be used. Does this mean that Ra favors Christianity for everyone? Certainly not! It would be absurd to deduce that.

Ra's treatment of Carla's dietary choice is exactly the same as her religious choice.

So, what is it then? Is Ra "right" or "wrong"? Perhaps Ra is misguided? Trying to trick us? Or are there maybe, just maybe, people whose health would benefit from the consumption of animal products... most notably the very person who channeled Ra and still suffers in this very moment from near debilitating health conditions?

Tenet, once again I find myself wondering whether you have read this entire thread. You have never stated whether you did or not. I went out of my way, several times, to include a disclaimer regarding those with unusual medical conditions, who feel, 'rightly or wrongly', that they must eat animals, in respect to Carla.

This isn't about Carla. There is no need to judge Carla's health condition or her choices in dealing with her health condition. But Carla's personal choices have nothing to do with a philosophical discussion about whether the killing of animals is in alignment with the STO path. Carla would be the first to state that she doesn't want to be put on a pedestal as a role model for the rest of us. Carla has offered an incredible service, in allowing this valuable information to come thru her, but she isn't a guru; nor does she want to be one. Those questions Don asked Ra, were an effort to help Carla with her own struggles pertaining to her physical vehicle. They're simply not relevant to the greater question, any more than Ra's suggestions that they use a Bible would be relevant to the greater questions of spirituality.

"Aha! Ra recommended that Carla use a Bible, a chalice and a cross! This must mean we're all supposed to be Christians!"

Do you see the parallel here?

I've stated this so many times, I'm beginning to get hoarse! And time and time again, people still keep bringing up their own diet, or Carla's diet, or whatever. I really don't care what you, or Carla, or anyone else eats. It's not my place to judge, and I'm simply not interested in anyone's rationalizations. I'm interested in the philosophical, ethical, and spiritual implications of killing animals.