Logoi and Co-creators

[Ali Quadir]

But what is the reason to open the book ? Why is recall required? I do like the analogy here though. I think it's an appropriate perception to see time/space/possibility that in it's undifferentiated state like an unopened book. It's also an effective solution to the question if God's omnipotence breaks our free will.

From our limited 3D perspective, I think we tend to focus too much on the fact that in an infinite universe anything can happen, and not enough on the fact that in an infinite universe everything must happen. Recall is required sooner or later, it seems to have happened now. Congratulations on the good fortune of being here now. Of course, you were also there, then and will ever be there-ever, forever.

I don't see this. A line is infinite, nothing is supposedly bigger than infinite. But a plane is still infinitely larger. Just because a universe is infinite does not mean everything can or will happen. It just means that everything that has a chance of happening will happen. There is a principle of consistency. The universe cannot be in an inconsistent state. It can be in an undefined state. But it cannot be inconsistent.

Essentially this means that we should take the suggestion that in an infinite universe everything in the most literal sense of the word will happen with a dose of salt... I'd suggest everything that can happen will happen.. But we'll never see pigs fly unless they evolve into something with wings or anti-gravity glands or what ever that then no longer can be accurately called a pig. I hope you get my point.

So my question would be rephrased as why could this happen? Why do I perceive this particular state of possibility. And you another one? And essentially playing the why game from there. (I identified with this, why? Something in me resonated, why?) This will lead to a point where I have no answers.

I realize that a fool can ask more questions than a thousand masters can answer. The role of a fool works for me, so I'll ask a lot of questions of you It's not up to you to solve them all. It is neither required nor likely that all my questions will be answered in this life. If they do I'll probably invent new questions just for the fun of it.

Besides, putting on the garb of a master brings with it the mundane fact that every pocket in the garb both hidden and in plain sight is filled to the brink with expectations to live up to. I consider that cruel and won't do it to anyone.

The question why am I me and not you is asked within my book. In essence the question could not be asked with the same meaning in any other book. It's the usual mantra, "I cannot see what you see because I see what I see".

How do you know you're not me?

While on a level we are in fact one. The Law of One is clear on this. On another level we most definitely are not. I cannot speak through your mouth or grab with your hands on the mundane everyday level. And the question isn't "is that all there is?" I know there is more. The question to me is: Why is this?

The only experience you have of me is pixels on a monitor.

Presumably

How do you know that it isn't really your eyes that imagine that the pixels are there and you've really just conjured up the whole illusion? Even if we met face-to-face, I could argue that the only experience you have of me is through your senses as processed by your mind, and we have technologies already that can fake most if not all of your senses, and lord knows that your mind fools itself all the time. I understand that this "brains in vats" argument is old (older still after having been beaten to death by the Matrix movies), but it still hold water.

Exactly... So why did I convince myself of this particular illusion and not yours? Why in essence am I me in conscious experience, and you in a much more philosophical manner?

Don't get me wrong. I do realize that we're one, I get a lot of impressions, pixels on a monitor is not all you are to me. Yet there is a most definitive difference between being me and being you. I am identified with the one, you with the other... Why?

The answer. There is no "Me" is just ignoring the whole experience of "Me"... That can't be right can it?

As for seeing what I see, again why do suppose that I see anything at all? In reality (and mean this absolutely literally), I have no existence except through you, and you can never prove otherwise.

Proving is done with the mind. You're correct. I cannot prove otherwise. Yet I still know for a fact that what is inside of me is outside of me. You are a reflection of a principle. You do exist. You have thoughts emotions feelings and a life separate from mine. This isn't a philosophical opinion. It is a direct experience. I can easily sense great compassion in you. I cannot however look though your eyes.

You speak from a philosophical point of view. And it is good to entertain these thoughts on a regular basis. I certainly think along these lines myself. However, you are also on some level an entity that is completely separate from me and this perception is as valid as realizing that on some level you are me...

The same goes true for you from me. I don't have to worry about dying, because this entire elaborate stage was constructed exclusively for my entertainment. I can't be written out of the script except by my choice (perhaps even my conscious choice, I haven't quite decided on that one yet) .

I think you can't even do that. If you write yourself in the script you'll still be in it. And the moments you were in it will influence the whole script. If you put two hands filled with water together then no force in the world will ever be able to separate the two waters. You can make two new hands filled with water. But the waters are forever bound together. The fact that you exist right now is true. From here there is no future possible where you did not exist before. Even if you find a way to write yourself out of the script or some approximation.

I may choose to write you out of my script, but I think I'll keep you around for at least a little longer, because I like you Ali.

You like me... Not bad for a bunch of pixels eh? All kidding aside, you honor me The feeling is mutual. And it is exactly these thought provoking exchanges that keep me hooked on this forum.

Just think about it. If I walk up to the cashier at the local supermarket. And ask her "Why am I me... And not you?" She'd at least raise one eyebrow. And at worst call security saying that I was making insinuations about becoming one with her.

So you see, the process of evolving is really just the process of my becoming more in touch with this godliness that I know I possess. Becoming more and more in control of the creation and destruction process, as it were. I wouldn't say that nothing can "hurt" me, because I recognize the benefit of feeling pain as a catalyst to aid me on my journey of self discovery, but I do know that even if I feel the most excruciating pain imaginable for an entire eon, that it has not actually harmed me in any real way.

Why did you stop being totality and become individuality. If your goal is then again to strive for totality? Would it not be smarter to just pick a side and stay there? Or rather be both and stop striving.

There is a spiritual elitism we easily fall prey to. If it isn't that we judge others on this principle, it's that we judge or motivate ourselves with it.

So I tried to stop doing this to myself.

But what is the first motivator? Why would the creator desire to know himself. Why did he open the books in the first place?

It's really: "First there was nothing, which then exploded... Without adequately explored reasons."

Or rather, "First there was nothing, which then exploded... Without obviously explored reasons." One wouldn't want to be too presumptuous about what you did before you chose to forget. Here's an interesting question for you though. As a psychologist, I'm sure you're familiar with tricks that people develop to compensate for memory loss. They leave little notes around reminding them what to do when, or even who they are. Perhaps you did the same thing before you chose to forget. Have you looked for any of your notes? Would you recognize them if you saw them?

You're right we must not be presumptuous. Ironically that's why I presume there is a reason and try to find it. Wretched isn't it?

As far as remembering is concerned: I'm basically assuming that if the creature I was before forgetting is really as powerful as it seems. I won't need to recognize them. I wont even need the notes. The creature will just tell me. It's talking I think I can assume that it's telling me what it wants me to know.

There is a slight difference in approach for me as a Muslim that I have been able to make out. You might know the phrase "Insha'Allah" it pretty much means. If it is Gods will. I can say "I go to the bank tomorrow" but to be precise I have to add "Insha'Allah". I don't know if I will go to the bank, if it is Gods will.. I will.. If God decides against it... I won't.

Now we can call God Allah Jahweh, higher self, Buddha Nature, great spirit or the sky fairy. But in the end, if your higher self decides against it, you won't be going to the bank.

It's clear to me that this is correct. How can you argue with an advanced version of yourself? But that leaves me asking. Why am I at all required? I cannot stop or accelerate the higher plan. I can only really be me and assume that nature in all it's wisdom is somehow on the job. What is the root motivation?

What is the meaning of life?
(Maybe we should not touch that one. Nasty things can happen if people go philosopholizing about the meaning of life.)