Logoi and Co-creators

[3D Sunset]

I don't see this. A line is infinite, nothing is supposedly bigger than infinite. But a plane is still infinitely larger. Just because a universe is infinite does not mean everything can or will happen. It just means that everything that has a chance of happening will happen. There is a principle of consistency. The universe cannot be in an inconsistent state. It can be in an undefined state. But it cannot be inconsistent.

Essentially this means that we should take the suggestion that in an infinite universe everything in the most literal sense of the word will happen with a dose of salt... I'd suggest everything that can happen will happen.. But we'll never see pigs fly unless they evolve into something with wings or anti-gravity glands or what ever that then no longer can be accurately called a pig. I hope you get my point...

But what is the first motivator? Why would the creator desire to know himself. Why did he open the books in the first place?

I do see your point, and yet I still disagree. To me, it seems equally likely that infinite is indeed infinite. The degree of likelihood of a locally absurd event happening (like pigs sprouting wings and flying and still being pigs for example) is related to its degree of consistency with the current logos, as you say. But there are other Logoi in which these absurd things happen regularly, and sure you've even visited some of them in your dreams. Now, I will grant you that within this logos, we have a fairly strong set of consistency requirements that don't allow for a lot of bending of the rules related to aeronautical pigs. Still, in an infinite universe I suggest that there is a logos that is very similar to ours which does allow for such elasticity of the rules regarding pigs.

Regardless though, I think the degree of infinity of our Creators infinite universes need not be resolved to address your underlying issue, which is: "Why did the Creator choose to experience himself?" Even in your more finite (or restricted) infinity, it is clearly allowable to say that the Creator could choose to experience himself, and therefor it seems safe to conclude that since he could decide this, that he eventually did decide it. By this argument we are here not because there is anything special about here and now, per se, but rather it was simply our turn to manifest.

So my question would be rephrased as why could this happen? Why do I perceive this particular state of possibility. And you another one? And essentially playing the why game from there. (I identified with this, why? Something in me resonated, why?) This will lead to a point where I have no answers.

Why did you stop being totality and become individuality. If your goal is then again to strive for totality? Would it not be smarter to just pick a side and stay there? Or rather be both and stop striving.

According to the Law of One (as communicated by Ra), your current perspective on life, the universe, and everything (credits to Douglas Adams and his Hitchhiker's Guide series) is a function of your cumulative experiences since you became a differentiated spec of consciousness. As such, you bring with you all the distilled experiences of hydrogen-ness, silicon-ness, rock-ness, amoeba-ness, planet-ness, wolf-ness, and perhaps even non-flying pig-ness in addition to all your human experiences after you activated your spirit and combined it with your mind/body complex. As such, I might ask you the opposite question: Why do we perceive things so similarly? (If this doesn't make sense yet, try again when you're 42).

Please indulge my digressing for a moment and reviewing what has happened with your consciousness leading up to the "You" that is here, now. Per my interpretation of the LOO, Dewey Larson and other synergistic works, if we were to move back in creation(s) to the moment that you became a differentiated spec of consciousness, we will see you initially as a photon having been created by the fusion of two atoms within a star. You are the offspring of very advanced entities at or beyond mid 6th density. You have within you all the frequencies of light that exist in our universe and you are still quite close to unity. As you continue riding the expanding universe you may choose to further condense and take on mass. With time you continue to become more and more physical, as it were, moving through states of matter from atoms to molecules and from plasma to gas to vapor, to liquid and eventually to solid. At the same time you combine with other such atoms/molecules and blend your consciousnesses as it were into larger ones.

In our Logos, it appears that solids are the most dense materials (and hence the most far removed from unity). At some point around here, you begin now your movement back to the creator. During your condensing phase you were also gaining experiences that are part of your consciousness, but you are existing in a timeless state of Earth, Air, Fire and Water learning the lessons of being (or existing in space/time) and striving toward this realization. Achieving this awareness of existence, prepares you to move into life based forms (ie., 1D is over for you and you are moving to 2D). The foundation upon which your trip back will build has now been set, and as a 2D entity you are striving to learn the lesson of self realization. Having done so, only now do you sprout forth as a mind/body/spirit complex that can begin experiencing catalyst aimed initially at activating the complex (through choice) , and ultimately in polarizing the complex to allow further upward growth.

It is only from this complex background that we can view the "you" that is you. This you could not be me, because I followed a different (albeit similar) path to get to this point.

Besides, putting on the garb of a master brings with it the mundane fact that every pocket in the garb both hidden and in plain sight is filled to the brink with expectations to live up to. I consider that cruel and won't do it to anyone.

Fortunately, my masters robe (which, in truth, resembles a dunce's cap) is devoid of pockets, so I have no expectations that I feel the need to live up to. I also hope that you have no such expectations of me, but even if you do, there are no pockets to hold them. I like to think of this as simply two fools driveling. Of course we do still stand a chance of coming up with something worthwhile just based upon the monkeys and typewriters paradigm.

I think you can't even do that. If you write yourself in the script you'll still be in it. And the moments you were in it will influence the whole script. If you put two hands filled with water together then no force in the world will ever be able to separate the two waters. You can make two new hands filled with water. But the waters are forever bound together. The fact that you exist right now is true. From here there is no future possible where you did not exist before. Even if you find a way to write yourself out of the script or some approximation.

This is an intriguing tangent, which I'd like avoid it for now, by saying that by "writing myself out" I simply meant removing myself from the stage (i.e., death), not removing my prior existence therefrom as well.

As far as remembering is concerned: I'm basically assuming that if the creature I was before forgetting is really as powerful as it seems. I won't need to recognize them. I wont even need the notes. The creature will just tell me. It's talking I think I can assume that it's telling me what it wants me to know.

To me, this gets to the issue of finding the love in each moment. My examining each moment and recognizing in its simplicity, complexity, emotions, desires, fears, fascinations, etc, we are, I think reading the notes. What we then do with this love, once we find it is up to us.

There is a slight difference in approach for me as a Muslim that I have been able to make out. You might know the phrase "Insha'Allah" it pretty much means. If it is Gods will. I can say "I go to the bank tomorrow" but to be precise I have to add "Insha'Allah". I don't know if I will go to the bank, if it is Gods will.. I will.. If God decides against it... I won't.

Now we can call God Allah Jahweh, higher self, Buddha Nature, great spirit or the sky fairy. But in the end, if your higher self decides against it, you won't be going to the bank.

It's clear to me that this is correct. How can you argue with an advanced version of yourself? But that leaves me asking. Why am I at all required? I cannot stop or accelerate the higher plan. I can only really be me and assume that nature in all it's wisdom is somehow on the job. What is the root motivation?

Consider a pin-ball machine as an analogy. For simplicity let us say that the movement of the ball within the machine represents the pin-ball's free will choices of where to go. Those choices are influenced by the bumpers over which it has no control. The higher-self, who is interested in aiding the ball by maximizing its experiences while in play, is also able to influence the ball on occasion, in such a way as to help keep it in play. Still, the ball does have its own free will and sometimes, despite the best intentions of the higher self to help the ball, it instead, knocks it into a bumper that immediately slams it out of play. So why are you (the ball) required? Because with[out] you, there is no play! The machine (our Logos) is waiting for our higher selves to step up and start the game.

What is the meaning of life?
(Maybe we should not touch that one. Nasty things can happen if people go philosopholizing about the meaning of life.)

By the above analogy, the purpose of life is to get as many points as possible. That is to say, bring back to the One Infinite Creator the best possible bounty of experiences that we can from our existences.

Or then again, it may be to amuse our higher-self as it sips the cosmic beer that it has rested on the machine while it plays.

3D Sunset

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