(08-23-2011, 01:20 AM)hogey11 Wrote: For myself, I would understand where zen is coming from if the world was calm and moderate; it's not. Extremes of all sorts are coming to the surface, from natural disasters to global economic health. Plutocracy is destroying the first-world economies, and the corruption in business and politics is now blatantly obvious. The world is blowing up; you cannot deny this. The question is going to be: do we recover from this, and are we better off because of it? In this way, I am hopeful that we see the dawn of a new age and the 'death' of our confused minds.
If Ra spoke in nothing but allegories like zenmaster concludes, then I am quite unsure of the future. The world needs not to preserve itself at this junction, but instead transform itself to serve many instead of few. Without a big push, we will not get there. Let's hope the harvest is that big push.
I also see where zen is coming from - we've had so many predictions the past dozen years, the mind boggles. Its not unreasaonble to be slightly sceptical at times. I also have doubts at times. Then, I see or read something that makes me feel that the Law of One material is fundamentally correct.
In terms of the harvest being a clear cut event, for me the change in perspective came when I listened to the Quo reading, again and again. It seemed to state a non-dramatic change, that would last quite a long time.
Suddenly the harvest became less and less a big game changer, but rather a more subtle effect. Maybe it would be the time more 4D babies were born, indigo children in the masses? Maybe telepathy would become more obvious? These kind of changes would bring about a more gradual change to 4D.
Hence, the harvest would be a discrete moment as unity describes, as the start of something is a discrete moment. Going on from that, the following change to 4D could take several hundred years of time to become fully realised. During this time, life could be changing, as it has now, quite dramatically in our traditional market based economy and something more subtle could evolve.
As Hogey says though, the world is getting close to being on the edge, this is unmistakable ... as Bob Dylan said, 'the times they are a' changin'