Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[Bring4th_Austin]

Harvest, 4th density activation, are crucial and pivotal points of the Ra material.

Pivotal points which were unfortunately talked about so vaguely and with such ambiguity which, if nothing "noticeable" happens in 50 years, we could still interpret the Ra material as accurate and keep on hoping for some grand event.

Yes, there is a vagueness to Ra's predictions and explanations; I always refer back to the grocery store analogy Ra gave when speaking of probabilities/possibilities. However, i'm actually quite taken aback by the amount of people who are flat out denying the validity of the harvest itself. Now, many of us here will squeal and squirm and say we're not denying anything, but if we're sitting here 5 years from now without any major changes in the world it will be hard to take this stuff very seriously anymore. Point blank. The Law of One suddenly becomes a 'couple books with some cool concepts' and nothing more. I think people are avoiding this.

I definitely wouldn't view it that way. I mean, 5 years is awfully strict, considering Ra constantly pointed out their problems with numbers, and used the terms "approximately" or "this is an approximation" and "we speak in generalities" (which they said themselves is dangerous). It is your right to not take the information seriously if the harvest doesn't happen the way you feel it was supposed to, but that's really the essence of what I'm speaking about. Expectations can be frivolous and dangerous.

For myself, I would understand where zen is coming from if the world was calm and moderate; it's not. Extremes of all sorts are coming to the surface, from natural disasters to global economic health. Plutocracy is destroying the first-world economies, and the corruption in business and politics is now blatantly obvious. The world is blowing up; you cannot deny this. The question is going to be: do we recover from this, and are we better off because of it? In this way, I am hopeful that we see the dawn of a new age and the 'death' of our confused minds.

There's no doubt that we're going through some transitional period right now, and linking this to the idea of harvest and 4D incoming is a leap of faith I feel most here are willing to make, but how long this period will last and whether or not there will be a noticeable event to get us to the other side is not clear at all in the Ra material.

If Ra spoke in nothing but allegories like zenmaster concludes, then I am quite unsure of the future. The world needs not to preserve itself at this junction, but instead transform itself to serve many instead of few. Without a big push, we will not get there. Let's hope the harvest is that big push.

Ra was very specific about many things, unfortunately, for some reason, Don never pushed the questions on Harvest enough to get a clear answer. Don got close to asking a good question, asking if Harvest will be spread out or in 2011, but only got this:

This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest

Approximation, difficulty with your time/space...throw in some other ideas through the material, like an extended transition period, the concept of 4D bodies coming from reproductive evolution, dual bodied individuals, and we just don't have a clear picture of how it is supposed to happen.

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I also see where zen is coming from - we've had so many predictions the past dozen years, the mind boggles. Its not unreasaonble to be slightly sceptical at times. I also have doubts at times. Then, I see or read something that makes me feel that the Law of One material is fundamentally correct.

Of course, fundamentally correct is one thing, easily and obviously interpreted is another.

In terms of the harvest being a clear cut event, for me the change in perspective came when I listened to the Quo reading, again and again. It seemed to state a non-dramatic change, that would last quite a long time.

So many people dismiss Q'uo now because the channeling method is different from the Ra material. I guess that's up to the discernment of the individual. I trust Q'uo as long as Carla and Jim are channeling them, and as long as they don't touch on Carla's obviously ingrained beliefs (resurrections of Jesus, etc.)