Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[unity100]

if, an allowance like 40 years was possible, this would total to an entire 70 years from 1981, and Ra would not state that anything that extends lifespan of an entity would be useless, in the subject of 'integratron' machine.

That statement is certainly not necessarily true, or even more likely than something as the following.
Given harvest is a time/space phenomenon. And when we die, we go to time/space 'environment':

- Extending lifespan does nothing to ensure that death will not occur due to a variety of factors.
- If a 4D environment with lowered veil reduces catalytic action, then it would certainly not be beneficial to remain in 3D body as learning would be stifled.

there are important stuff you are missing while making the above assumptions :

4d and 4d vibrations do not interest 3d entities. those who are going to stay into 4d vibrations, are currently in 3-4d transitionary bodies. they are already harvested, and they dont have business with the harvest. they are told to be already here for 4d lessons.

veil is a mechanic in 3d in time/space, we were told. then this means that, when someone is vibrating around the 3d spectrum on a veiled 3d planet, the veil would be active for that entity in time/space, in between conscious and subconscious. this would affect any entity to any degree - even if a 4d entity may be inhabiting a 3-4d transitionary body, with the definition we have s/he would still get affected by the veil, even if it would probably be to a different degree than the 3d entity vibrating in 3d spectrum. the opposite is also true - a 3d entity going up to vibrating in 4d frequencies may have reduced effect from veil, but how this would act in conjunction with its 3d body is a different matter. we were told 3d electrical fields couldnt stand full 4d vibrations.

one major mishap you are making is the assumption you make about less importance of extended lifespan due to harvest being a time/space phenomenon. this is a dangerously short sighted judgment - because it forgets the very reason for a physical incarnation and an 3d existing in the first place :

entities incarnate into 3d or other physical densities to manifest and evolve through experiences. otherwise, there would not be a need to incarnate at all, and there would only be a time/space existence. yet, because it is faster to learn/teach in physical manifestations, such a concept like incarnation exists - the entities live in physical existence, and their experiences get distilled into their mind/spirit complex. overall resultant progress identifies the advancement of the entity. therefore, even if you are going to do the harvest in time/space, incarnation time on the planet does matter. because, the progress one accumulates is the determining factor in the harvest.

this is especially important in the light of the fact that Ra has mentioned that the entities on this planet go through spiritual childhood until around age 60-70. this means, even as of now, our lifespans are way too short for incarnational experience on this planet. entity matures and goes over trivial things and reaches proper grasp of the 3d existence it is in, and then s/he dies, because lifespan doesnt suffice.

so, if there was such a time period that would stretch from 1981 towards 70 years into the future, it would be very helpful to enable entities with longer lifespans. so that, they could go through the spiritual childhood Ra talks about until ages 60-70, and then they would have a real chance in making a choice that would reflect in the time/space harvest you talk about.

Therefore it could easily be the case that there is a certain point 'harvest' where after death, we walk those steps and determine further incarnational needs. Loads of catalyst and 3D incarnations before 'harvest', and little catalyst and fewer and fewer 3D incarnations as yellow-ray support goes into potentiation. This scenario, while perhaps boring, is completely congruent with the material, and the most parsimonious IMHO. After death we have a grand overview what lessons need to be learned and simply go to the appropriate space/time with the appropriate body.

that scenario, if was completely congruent with the material, would not necessitate endless numbers of social memory complexes descending upon this planet at this particular nexus in time, a mere 20-30 years' vicinity of a given date of 2011, and attempt to communicate information and provide energy in hopes of increasing harvest. the message is universal - from nameless group a to sts-apparent imposter group z, ALL of the spiritual channeled material, are concentrated on increasing imminent harvest.

in your comfortable scenario there would not be a need to push so hardly to the point of almost violating free will due to the abundance of direct channeled material being overloaded all over the place.

Unity, you are doing nothing but reiterating your own interpretation and insisting it is the only valid interpretation, and dismissing all other interpretations based only on the fact that it is not congruent with your own. I'm not trying to discredit your interpretation or logic, I am showing that there are other valid interpretations, and the fact that you won't accept them doesn't mean they don't exist. Unfortunately, your non-acceptance of other interpretations blinds you to that fact, and discussion at that point becomes moot.

and you are just reiterating your interpretation of me interpreting, even more so than i could ever possibly be reiterating myself.

existence of interpretations do not make them valid. there has been interpretations so wild to the point of redefining sts to not be self serving, in prior discussions in this forum. had existence of an interpretation necessitated acceptance, we would end up accepting that sts is not sts and sto is not sto and many more different quirky conclusions.

so far, the interpretations you or some others have brought evaluates to nothing more than selective ignoring of accuracy of the information given, probably based on biases. the problem is that, the suppliers of these interpretations DO vouch for, and trust the accuracy of given information in other subjects. i didnt see them contesting or 'reinterpreting' the dates given by Ra regarding any other thing, from maldek to first manifestation date of green vibrations on this planet, or anything else. in all of these cases these people accepted the dates given as accurate, and did not attempt to reinterpret drastic error margins into these dates.

and suddenly, specifically and especially for this case, there is a need for hell-bent error margin introduction and wild reinterpretation.

why ?

was Ra so accurate in all the other dates, so able and so precise, but suddenly got stupefied and lost grasp of time/space continuum while answering these simple 2-3 q/as that, such a need came into being ?

definitely not. even if it had happened so, ra would return and correct the mistake they made, like in all other cases it happened.

or the selective ignorance of simple language constructs :

don asks whether harvest will be spread out, or happen at a specific date. the answer IS a specific date. this cant be any simpler than that. no period is given, like 5 to 10 years, or probability of 1 to 30 years. a certain date is given. yet however, suddenly there is the need to so drastically 'reinterpret' this plain, simple, flat answer to the point of making some certain year number a period of time. there wasnt any period of time. there was a certain year given.

you are trying to push the opposite - that a specific, flat, precise answer given to a specific, flat, open question can be reinterpreted so wildly that it could mean the OPPOSITE of the question asked. excuse me, but there is no way to accept such a 'reinterpretation'. with that kind of logic, you could as well go and reinterpret the answer Ra gives when asked what entity they are and make them come up totally something else.

Luckily, it will be easy for you to prove Ra is not ambiguous in their words. Simply tell me exactly what is going to happen, when it is going to happen, and how we are going to know it happened. Then, after that date comes, we will know for sure you are right.

we are not discussing what is going to happen. we are discussing the answer Ra gave to a specific question, and the need to reinterpret it to be compatible with people's biases and then accept that to be valid.

the question was simple, the answer was simple, and regardless of what happens on this planet tomorrow, even if the planet gets destroyed by a freak, sudden nuclear war, and therefore harvest is not able to happen like it didnt happen in maldek, the question and answer given to that question at that particular nexus in 1981, will remain the same.

a question was asked regarding harvest being spread out or happening at a certain date. the answer given was 2011. how would harvest happen, or what could prevent harvest, or any kind of other LIKELY possibility vortices, are different discussions each on their own.

The difference between our viewpoints would be that after that date, if nothing happens, you will be forced to dismiss the Ra material because the only interpretation you saw did not come true, and you will not be able to re-interpret or re-arrange your understanding of the material.

So, tell me, what exactly is going to happen? Take away the ambiguity.

then let me take away one ambiguity for you :

entities which were able to contact intelligent infinity BEFORE, or, with the facilitation of harvest, will be able to leave their incarnation at any given time, in any fashion they like.

actually, this is currently possible for any entity which has been able to contact infinite intelligence through any means even as of now. however, during harvest the gates to intelligent infinity will open, there will be harvesters aiding, and any entity that can do so will be able to contact intelligent infinity provided that they are harvestable. gates of intelligent infinity being open, before you ask, would mean contact with intelligent infinity becoming much more readily available. ( apparently to the point of marshaling endless number of social memory complexes to aid a 3d planet so that they can make use of that availability )

as for your customary question that would follow immediately after this, and goes in the form of 'do we even know what contacting intelligent infinity is', this is something noone can tell/explain to someone else - because, like told in the material, this is something totally different from person to person, though, unmistakable when it happens. two people who contacted intelligent infinity could sit facing each other and tell what they experienced for years and still not come near to telling each other their individual experience.

simply put, the least that will happen will be that any entity who contacted intelligent infinity will be (and is, even as of now) able to leave this incarnation and start a new incarnation in 4d or any other octave of experience their vibrations qualify for.