08-28-2011, 10:12 AM
(08-28-2011, 02:42 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: In 1981, this sphere was already in fourth-dimension vibration. So how can the sphere begin to transition to 4D in 2011/2012 when it was already in 4D in 1981?
nice find. indeed.
Quote:And then it will stop, due to harvest.
or, it will stop due to the planet aligning itself to 4d instreamings, despite the society on it had not.
(08-28-2011, 03:18 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote:(08-28-2011, 02:42 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:(08-27-2011, 08:17 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: All are harvested regardless of their progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful part of that dimension and begins to cease (BEGINS to cease, instead of CEASES being) being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.
Ceasing is an act which takes place in a moment. It is a discontinuity. You don't begin to cease enslaving others. You cease to enslave them. All at once, in the same moment. If the 3D sphere is no longer useful to anybody, why would they continue to be incarnated here afterwards? Why would any soul want to be born into such a world?
Now it's certainly possible for "ceasing" to be a discontinuity, but that's not universal. Something can gradually phase out...when it starts phasing out, it "begins to cease," and when it's done phasing out, it has ceased. You can apply this example to countless things. The 3D vibes "began to cease" years ago, yet they haven't completely ceased yet. It could mean either, yet when the phrase "begins to cease" is used, I'd bet that it means that it only begins to cease, and doesn't completely cease until later. There's no telling whether this statement was about the actual mechanism of harvest or the transition from 3D to 4D anyways.
the ceasing here is meant for the planet ceasing to be useful for lower levels of vibrations of 3d. it is the continual frequency increase effect we talked about earlier, like in venus, etc - ie, planet becoming a 4d planet, then a 4d/5d, then a 5d, then 5d/6d etc. just like that, apparently there is a moment where a planet becomes a 3d/4d planet - so, this would mean that the planet would go up in vibration spectrum, and would not be usable for lower levels of vibration within 3d, spectrum being shifted. eventually it would totally become a 4d planet which would not provide any usability for 3d, with that rate.
Quote:I don't think that's very clear...it's possible that simply 3D vibes will completely cease to instream at that point, but that doesn't mean that they'll be gone from space/time. We know that it's going to be a gradual shift to the 4D sphere and to 4D bodies, that is one thing Ra was rather clear about:
3-4d entities do not need gradual. their bodies are capable of withstanding 4d.
Quote:I don't think that is what the main debate between gradual and instant is about though. The gateway to intelligent infinity will open, somehow, someway, for all to access at a given point. Whether this means it becomes available to them in passing to time/space (through mechanism of harvest or naturally), or within incarnation, or some way we can't comprehend, is unknown.
there is no obligation of being disincarnate for intelligent infinity contact, as the entities harvested prior to the cycle prove. tho majority of these have harvested themselves in negative fashion, since during a time in which sufficient energies are not available, these entities could only amass the energy needed for contact by being negative. however, these entities have not only contacted infinite intelligence in negative way, but they are also incarnate. (some of them were told to be still incarnated in 1981). this means, the did not die for infinite intelligence contact to happen.
now this is harvest time, and energies are available. this time positives will be able to contact intelligent infinity too. and they would not have to die for that to happen, just like how negatives have not.
Quote:"Due to harvest," yes, it's possible that if harvest is instant, these inconveniences will simply stop and things will be fine, or if harvest is gradual, the increasing harmony among the society complex will gradually cause the inconveniences to end.
im at a loss to understand how this 'harvest is gradual' thing still going on, after all the quotes have been given. it seems definitely necessary for people to understand that harvest, and entry into a certain vibrations by the planet, are different things.