Share your vision for the harvest

[Tenet Nosce]

Actually, yes, I have considered it. The truth is I have come to the conclusion from the opposite end of the funnel that you suggest. It has been, from my inception, to "insist", as you say, that the paranormal explanation be the most possible explanation. Over time, over experiences, over studying, I am currently coming to the conclusion that all of "this" is based solely on my condition of being a human... even the explanations of what "this" is are derived from this condition.

I understand about the inherent limitations of the human form, however the human form is also capable of making contact with intelligent infinity. So the crux of the "matter" is whether you perceive yourself to be a human form striving for contact with intelligent infinity, or where you perceive yourself as intelligent infinity, temporarily manifesting in a human form.

It is interesting that your views have changed in that direction over time. For me, I have become increasingly less of a skeptic as real science continues to pour out which confirms that all of this "wild and crazy" stuff is indeed possible, even if we don't fully understand it.

These are the questions that have created this perception of our global collective and these discussions. The best answers are those found in the LOO. The answers found speak to our current abilities to comprehend. These answers are heard more loudly than anything in the past because they are the most current representation of what our "condition" creates. Trying to answer these questions is what will continue us to create in the same manner. An attempt to give an answer is the practice of what we are, and therefore there isn't a definitive answer... only exploration of the question. "Harvest" is another attempt. All we know is that we are, or that we think we are, or that we are part of something larger= body, or mind, or spirit.

I agree. What we appear to be bumping up against in our (the collective "our") attempts to explore the question(s) is a very fundamental misunderstanding of the process by which we can arrive at a greater understanding.

We have a similar pattern occurring in many threads (and I have seen the same patterns in other forums discussing LOO) where certain individuals seem to believe that there is no such thing as any sort of objective truth, whatsoever. Everything is subjective, and becomes whatever they think it means, simply by virtue of the fact that they think it means something. Apparently such an individual must style themselves as such an all-powerful Master of the Universe, that by merely choosing to "believe in" something they can magically transmute the very fabric of the whole of existence.

Apparently, free will is so paramount in the universe that if a single entity should set their will as such, even the awakening of the Planetary Logos, the Solar Logos, and the Galactic Logos, would be placed on hold in order to accede to their demands for "more time" to remain asleep, dreaming their little dreams of being human.

Harvest is a gift from the universe, intended to make up for the fact that "time" has run out for you.

Anyways, everybody is free to believe whatever they want... but then why bother getting involved in a discussion anyway?! If somebody believes that there are no real "answers" to be found, then continuing to throw comments out there on a discussion forum where others are looking for such answers then becomes nothing more than trolling. It just boils down to attention seeking behavior, and getting off on getting a rise out of other people.

Even if, in our current human form, we are utterly incapable of directly perceiving objective truth, it still makes sense to try and approach it as best as we can. At least, in my opinion.

But this gets very frustrating when we can never seem to get a real discussion rolling because every thread gets derailed by somebody who thinks it is clever to start a counter-argument about the time Ra said the word "red" yet due to infinite subjectivity in the universe, and the insurmountable inadequacy of using words as a means of communicating, Ra might have meant "blue".

People scoff if they don't want to take the time to consider or to look for *____*. I, personally, think there is a logical explanation for the mysterious. I think the mysterious is something in existence even if it isn't tangible to any of the five senses. Actually, I think the mysterious is tangible, but very difficult to find the direct correlation from mystery to physical expression.

If I may, there is an unwillingness to see how these mysteries could possibly be logical if one is determined to find them unexplainable for the sake of being unexplainable. The mystery, for the most part, will remain mysterious, but I see no reason that we can't put our heads together and see how we got to the point of creating them as a mystery.

Based upon your opinions offered above, I am really at a loss as to how to interpret some of your comments here and on other threads. Sometimes I think we are on the same page, and other times I think we are in totally different books. If the mysterious is tangible, logical, and able to be perceived, then why do you appear to resist any attempt at describing it? Either I am totally misunderstanding your point of view, or it flip-flops quite frequently depending on your mood.

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Here is a quote I found that I think is relevant:

Questioner: Was the galaxy that we are in created by the infinite intelligence or was it created by a portion of the infinite intelligence?

Ra: I am Ra. The galaxy and all other things of material of which you are aware are products of individualized portions of intelligent infinity. As each exploration began, it, in turn, found its focus and became co-Creator. Using intelligent infinity each portion created an universe and allowing the rhythms of free choice to flow, playing with the infinite spectrum of possibilities, each individualized portion channeled the love/light into what you might call intelligent energy, thus creating the so-called Natural Laws of any particular universe.

Each universe, in turn, individualized to a focus becoming, in turn, co-Creator and allowing further diversity, thus creating further intelligent energies regularizing or causing Natural Laws to appear in the vibrational patterns of what you would call a solar system. Thus, each solar system has its own, shall we say, local coordinate system of illusory Natural Laws. It shall be understood that any portion, no matter how small, of any density or illusory pattern contains, as in an holographic picture, the One Creator which is infinity. Thus all begins and ends in mystery.

The "so-called" Natural Laws are "illusory". So arguing that harvest (as presented in the Ra Material) is not possible because it violates our perception and understanding of Natural Laws is untenable.

Rather, if we are to accept the Ra contact as real, and simply not a fabrication of L/L Research's minds, then it is most logical to assume that Ra meant what Ra said, and if we can't understand how it is possible it is due to a lack of information on our part, not due to the supposition that Ra doesn't understand how 3D entities perceive time, or that Ra doesn't know the difference between red and blue, or due to some other sort of contrivance which essentially boils down to Ra being a dolt, or otherwise highly ignorant about the form and function of the 3D mind.