(09-21-2009, 02:14 PM)Ole Wrote: ...are not drugs, but spirits. People are relating to the whole matter as if it was simply chemicals interacting with the physical brain. I think it's far more complex than that...
I agree! I am absolutely certain this is true, at least in the case of the plants. I've long asserted that the main difference between the plants (peyote, mushrooms, etc.) vs the synthetics (LSD) is that the plants provide a presence, and can be a spiritual ally, if utilized with the proper attitude of reverence and respect. Based on my experiences with both, I had concluded that messing with the synthetics is essentially like playing a game of Russian Roulette. It's purely a chemical reaction which can open doorways of perception, but the person has very little control as to which doors get flung open. (I say 'very little' because I found out the hard way that the mood one is in upon dropping acid can definitely affect the outcome, over and beyond the quality of the chemical.)
Ole, do you think there is a spirit involved with the synthetics also? I could see how the sythetic might attract spirits, in contrast to the plant allies being spirits themselves. I definitely felt a presence when I did plants...even weed...most especially weed - when I quit for some years then smoked it again, it was like reconnecting with an old friend.
However, after not smoking for some years, and pursuing spiritual clarity, my perception of my experience with pot was that the Mary Jane spirit brought along some friends. It's hard to explain, but I got the distinct impression that there were entities hanging around, and not all of them were benevolent! Being that pot is relatively mild, I never felt seriously threatened as I did with acid, but I definitely felt that if I let down my guard, negative energies could swarm in somehow.
This seemed really strange to me. I was a veteran pot-smoker...used to get high every day for 6 years as a teen. So then quitting for a few years and doing it again should be no big deal, right? And yet it was. I got the distinct impression that conscious entities were communicating with me. I felt their presence quite tangibly. One time, it was almost like an acid trip! Yeah, it was some good weed, but I only took 1 hit! and hey, I did the good stuff back then too. So either pot had gotten stronger by this time, or I had changed. Which is it? Maybe a little of both?
I tend to think the change was with me. There's just no way 1 hit of some hydroponic weed awhile back should have been 10x stronger than getting totally wasted on Sinsemilla 30 years ago...back then I smoked tons more and never had that happen. So I really don't think it was the potency of the weed - we always had good potency back then. I think I changed. As Ra said, more light was let in. I just don't need the pot ally anymore. (Not that I ever needed it, but you know what I mean.) It wasn't pleasant. It felt like I had to do battle, and that's no fun! I was definitely more susceptible to negative greeting, no doubt about it.
Getting back to the subject of spirits, does anyone have any experience or knowledge about Salvia? An old friend mentioned an interest in trying it, and at the time I'd never heard of it. This was a few years ago. Well, it came up again recently (maybe on this thread? not sure) and then I was doing a youtube search for Woodstock footage, and stumbled upon some footage of someone having a bad acid trip. I watched that video, and then more videos popped up, tons more videos, of people having Salvia trips, some of them bummer trips.
Curious, I watched a number of them. Their experiences matched what that other person told me...that they felt instantly thrown into a void, totally black, nothingness.
Say, what??
That sounds totally creepy! Even during my worst acid trip, in which I thought I was literally being consumed by demons, I still knew I was me. I was still aware of where and who I was. But the way they described it, they were actually transported somewhere, totally out of body, and then freaked out because they weren't sure if they could get back. They also described a female, malevolent presence...the same themes of the void and the female presence popped up several times, so it must be common.
There were also stories of seeing aliens...and they definitely weren't good aliens!
The amazing thing is that these people described these experiences as having happened after only 1 hit! So there doesn't seem to be much of a safety valve here...not like with pot where you can do a little and gauge your reaction.
I have never experienced Salvia (and never will!!), but this sounds much more potentially dangerous than even acid, by the sound of it. And apparently it's all the craze with the teens, because it's actually legal! They justify it because it's 'natural' and because the trip only lasts about 20 minutes, but 20 minutes in the void could seem like an eternity, I would think.
And yet, we know that Salvia has been used by shamans. So I am wondering just what kind of spirit ally it is. Evidently, a very powerful one. Undoubtedly the trip could be very beneficial to a shaman who knows what he's doing. But to an unsuspecting teen, just looking for a good time...I shudder at that.
I also shudder at the thought of a Lightworker doing Salvia, not realizing that they might be vulnerable to STS entities trying to snuff out their light. This might be even more potentially dangerous than it would be for the partying teen who is oblivious.